So, what is the difference.... - Page 15

Griff · 08-03-2006, 04:46 PM

apology proferred

Undertoad · 08-03-2006, 04:54 PM

Thanks man. You know, you're always one of the good guys, no matter what happens.

JayMcGee · 08-03-2006, 06:10 PM

a good guy?

after this

'When the right plays the card they occasionally get it right, like when Jay is just being an anti-American bigot'

I'l never be able to hold my head up in socialist circles again....

Griff · 08-03-2006, 06:29 PM

I was referring to your earlier unfounded contention that the US controls Israels actions and your unique interpretation of the Constitution. There is influence, but Israel lives in that awful neighborhood not us and would obviously put her needs first. Besides, for the sake of the argument I had to distance myself from your position which from my perspective looks like the mirror of Maggies.

JayMcGee · 08-03-2006, 06:38 PM

mmmmmmm........ I never meant to say that the US controls Israel per se just that it heavily influences it and could exert realistic pressure to end the current situation. Feel free to quote me back words to the contrary..... after all, they're just words........

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

...could exert realistic pressure to end the current situation.

There are several outcomes that could "end the current situation". A premature ceasefire isn't one of them...that would in fact pretty much assure that "the current situation" that has persisted since IDF withdrew from Lebanon the last time would continue. They won't tolerate it anymore, nor do I see any reason they should.

JayMcGee · 08-03-2006, 06:56 PM

Then come up with another idea, maggie. Preferably one that does not involve the deaths of hundreds of Lebanon civillians....

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

Then come up with another idea, maggie. Preferably one that does not involve the deaths of hundreds of Lebanon civillians....

That possibility is vanishingly small as long as Hezbollah thinks it's OK to use those civillians as human shields while bombarding Israel with rockets.

JayMcGee · 08-03-2006, 07:21 PM

....and presumably you think it's ok to bomb the civilian population 'cos the terrorists are hiding among them? Dd you not read the first post in this thread?

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

Dd you not read the first post in this thread?

I read it. Your WWII parallel has nothing to do with the current situation. The IDF isn't "randomly punishing civilians". You need to actually read the relevant laws of war...which Hezbollah is violating flagrantly.

JayMcGee · 08-03-2006, 07:39 PM

There is no question that hezbollah is in breach.........

But the Convention also stipulates that the belligerant's must ensure that they do not target civillians.... this is what the IDF is not only failing to do, but failing to do with the purpose of putting pressure on the local authoritiies to aquiese with their demands...... ie collective punihment.

MaggieL · 08-03-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

There is no question that hezbollah is in breach.........

But the Convention also stipulates that the belligerant's must ensure that they do not target civillians.... this is what the IDF is not only failing to do

IDF is not targeting civilians, nor would it be to their advantage to do so. They are doing their best to attack only military targets. Note that the convention states:

Quote:

The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

Meanwhile Hezbollah rains down rockets quite literally randomly on Israel without the vaguest pretense of attacking anything military thereby. All IDF is doing is trying to stop them, which is their right.

Undertoad · 08-04-2006, 10:20 AM

"...show the level of destruction in this area of Beirut"

Sometimes you have to "fix" the AP caption.

MaggieL · 08-04-2006, 01:31 PM

The image you posted bore a caption: "Two images [times taken] show the level of distruction in Beruit". I'd call that pretty misleading, even if the more complete story was once at the other end of a link. Obviously it's way far from representative, yet standing alone it claims to show THE level of destruction.

Yes, I know, you didn't write that caption either. But you did sever the pic from it's actual context, which should accompany the image. Since the WaPo page has Joined the Choir Invisibule, the CNN caption will do.

The large print giveth, the small print taketh away.

Trilby · 08-04-2006, 01:56 PM

I love it when Mag quotes the Bible.*

*Bible according to the Magster.

08-03-2006, 04:46 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	apology proferred __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-03-2006, 06:10 PM	#3
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	a good guy? after this 'When the right plays the card they occasionally get it right, like when Jay is just being an anti-American bigot' I'l never be able to hold my head up in socialist circles again.... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-03-2006, 06:29 PM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I was referring to your earlier unfounded contention that the US controls Israels actions and your unique interpretation of the Constitution. There is influence, but Israel lives in that awful neighborhood not us and would obviously put her needs first. Besides, for the sake of the argument I had to distance myself from your position which from my perspective looks like the mirror of Maggies. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-03-2006, 06:38 PM	#5
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	mmmmmmm........ I never meant to say that the US controls Israel per se just that it heavily influences it and could exert realistic pressure to end the current situation. Feel free to quote me back words to the contrary..... after all, they're just words........ __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-03-2006, 06:56 PM	#7
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	Then come up with another idea, maggie. Preferably one that does not involve the deaths of hundreds of Lebanon civillians.... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-03-2006, 04:54 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Thanks man. You know, you're always one of the good guys, no matter what happens.

08-03-2006, 07:21 PM	#9
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	....and presumably you think it's ok to bomb the civilian population 'cos the terrorists are hiding among them? Dd you not read the first post in this thread? __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-03-2006, 07:39 PM	#11
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	There is no question that hezbollah is in breach......... But the Convention also stipulates that the belligerant's must ensure that they do not target civillians.... this is what the IDF is not only failing to do, but failing to do with the purpose of putting pressure on the local authoritiies to aquiese with their demands...... ie collective punihment. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-04-2006, 10:20 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"...show the level of destruction in this area of Beirut" Sometimes you have to "fix" the AP caption.

08-04-2006, 01:31 PM	#14
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	The image you posted bore a caption: "Two images [times taken] show the level of distruction in Beruit". I'd call that pretty misleading, even if the more complete story was once at the other end of a link. Obviously it's way far from representative, yet standing alone it claims to show THE level of destruction. Yes, I know, you didn't write that caption either. But you did sever the pic from it's actual context, which should accompany the image. Since the WaPo page has Joined the Choir Invisibule, the CNN caption will do. The large print giveth, the small print taketh away. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

08-04-2006, 01:56 PM	#15
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I love it when Mag quotes the Bible.* Bible according to the Magster. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 08-04-2006 at 02:01 PM.*

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