If you outlaw guns, then only.... - Page 15

lumberjim · 10-28-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

When I was in Merced, CA, I was at the motel unloading my stuff. Because of the value of the items I was carrying in my vehicle, I carried a gun whenever transporting them. I took my suitcase up to the room, and when I returned, 2 guys approached my truck from different angles. One hopped over the fence by the pool and came from the rear, and the other was already peeking in the back windows when I came around the corner, so I don't know where he came from.

I'm normally pretty friendly to people when travelling, but these guys were up to no good. I said "how's it going" and started around to the passenger side to get the vehicle between me and them. They both moved to block me in, then suddenly they didn't seem interested in me at all. They took off running (literally) in 2 different directions. The reason? I had a Glock 21 on my hip that they apparently hadn't seen because of the stuff I was carrying in.

There was no cowboy music playing, I didn't feel like a tough guy nor did I feel overly freaked out or anything. I just went around to the desk and told the woman there that there were a couple of guys casing her customers. I dunno if she ever called the cops or not, or even if she understood me. I never saw the guys again, and the rest of the month went by without incident.

Did I "make the country a safer place" or "blahblahblah reduce crime blahblahblah"? No. But the presence of a weapon kept me from being a victim. And I don't care for people telling me that they don't think I should have that right. If other people are misusing their rights, take it up with them. I have nothing to do with it.

did you have that scary makeup on?

mrnoodle · 10-30-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

did you have that scary makeup on?

Dude. I did a much better job of that makeup at the gig on Saturday. Plus I had my pirate hat -n- dreads, black contact lenses, and the rest of my outfit (a white t-shirt with the words "lol, pirate" written in sharpie, a pair of shorts, and cowboy boots). I saw pics being taken, I hope I can get my hands on some.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-27-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos

After all these gun-threads I still haven't seen one bit of proof that allowing civilians to carry concealed weapons makes the US a safer country. On the contrary...

I expect the usual suspects will use the widely critized junk-science of Lott and Mauser to proof that guns make the US a safer country. [/i][/size]

It is not junk science. It has never been even rebutted, let alone debunked. Read More Guns, Less Crime and you will enjoy enlightenment. Until you do, you will be victimized by any crime and any genocidal episode that comes along. See Simkin, Zelman, and Rice for the connection between gun "control" and genocides. They haven't been rebutted either.

I have enjoyed this enlightenment, and am thereby proof against any and all antigun arguments -- the progun arguments are too solid and too good. Couple billion dollars too good. General gun ownership is also the only known genocide preventative, and genocide is best dealt with ahead of time. The force of the State is not, and cannot be, a bulwark against an episode of genocide.

Clodfobble · 10-27-2006, 10:35 AM

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But the junk-science of these 2 people can be compared to a survey(*) in 1995 which suggests that 1,2 Mio US people have been in contact with aliens.

Hell, dude, check out the Ouija thread. Apparently we've got a good number of superstitious nutcases right here on the board...

Flint · 10-27-2006, 10:38 AM

ha ha ha
reductio ad Roswell

Aliantha · 10-28-2006, 04:05 AM

Are you worried about genocide while living in the USA UG? I would have thought there'd be something in the constitution about the govt not killing everyone because of the colour of their skin or their religion or other beliefs.

Spexxvet · 10-28-2006, 10:38 AM

The 11th commandment: "Thou shalt protect thy "stuff" with weapons, and injureth or killeth any whosoever might try to taketh thy "stuff". Amen.

Undertoad · 10-28-2006, 10:53 AM

Spexx, did you just blatantly ignore Griff's point, completely drop one side of the equation, and falsely amplify the other side of the equation to the worst possible outcome in order to win the argument?

That's some hard work!

Spexxvet · 10-28-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Spexx, did you just blatantly ignore Griff's point, completely drop one side of the equation, and falsely amplify the other side of the equation to the worst possible outcome in order to win the argument?

That's some hard work!

Maybe it's the drugs. I try again later.

Spexxvet · 10-30-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Spexx, did you just blatantly ignore Griff's point,

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Originally Posted by Griff

Was he going to be allowed to walk away and maybe contact authorities? Why let the criminals decide whether or not Noodle spends the rest of his days on a respirator? Noodle did not initiate force, but they chose to at a minimum intimidate and their further intentions were not clear, he had a moral obligation to respond.

I responded to his moral obligation to respond assertion. Would he be allowed to walk away? I don’t know. Could he have avoided the conflict better? Probably. He allowed himself to be cornered. They chose at a minimum to intimidate? Intimidation is not a cause of death, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

completely drop one side of the equation,

Which side would that be?

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

and falsely amplify the other side of the equation to the worst possible outcome in order to win the argument?…

I would never amplify the other side of the equation to the worst possible outcome by saying something like:

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Originally Posted by Griff

Noodle spends the rest of his days on a respirator?

MaggieL · 10-29-2006, 09:54 AM

"Give up your weapons because defending yourself and your property is immoral. Make the world safe for criminals."

What a load of self-righteous utter garbage.

wolf · 10-29-2006, 01:07 PM

Assault weapon? I have never clubbed anyone over the head with any of my firearms, not even the scary-looking, black ones.

(Assault weapon is a term that doesn't really have much meaning outside of the context of wanting to ban guns based on cosmetic characteristics)

Pangloss62 · 10-29-2006, 01:15 PM

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(Assault weapon is a term that doesn't really have much meaning outside of the context of wanting to ban guns based on cosmetic characteristics)

Well, I suppose it is somewhat rendundant when discussing guns, but I only wanted to make a distinction between, say, a .22 hunting rifle and an automatic machine gun with a carbon fiber stock and a titanium barrell. Hey wolf, I just guessed on that last one. Can I assume that carbon fiber and titanium are used in today's "guns?"

wolf · 10-29-2006, 01:23 PM

An "automatic machine gun" is not an "assault weapon."

Sure carbon fiber and titanium are used in today's firearms, including your hypthetical .22, which isn't much good for hunting anything other than small birds and cute little bunnies.

Pangloss62 · 10-29-2006, 01:48 PM

Sorry, wolf, I'm just not good on guns. I actually have to talk and write about guns, but mostly Cilvil War ordinance (Minni Balls, etc.).

That said, what would you consider an "assualt weapon?" In your first comment, you implied that all guns are such; why, then, do we not arm our soldiers with .22 rifles?

My friend killed a deer with a .22 (shot to the head). And don't most fowl hunters use a shotgun anywaze?

10-27-2006, 10:38 AM	#5
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10-28-2006, 04:05 AM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Are you worried about genocide while living in the USA UG? I would have thought there'd be something in the constitution about the govt not killing everyone because of the colour of their skin or their religion or other beliefs. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-28-2006, 10:38 AM	#7
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	The 11th commandment: "Thou shalt protect thy "stuff" with weapons, and injureth or killeth any whosoever might try to taketh thy "stuff". Amen. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

10-29-2006, 09:54 AM	#11
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	"Give up your weapons because defending yourself and your property is immoral. Make the world safe for criminals." What a load of self-righteous utter garbage. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

10-29-2006, 01:07 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Assault weapon? I have never clubbed anyone over the head with any of my firearms, not even the scary-looking, black ones. (Assault weapon is a term that doesn't really have much meaning outside of the context of wanting to ban guns based on cosmetic characteristics) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-28-2006, 10:53 AM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Spexx, did you just blatantly ignore Griff's point, completely drop one side of the equation, and falsely amplify the other side of the equation to the worst possible outcome in order to win the argument? That's some hard work!

10-29-2006, 01:23 PM	#14
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	An "automatic machine gun" is not an "assault weapon." Sure carbon fiber and titanium are used in today's firearms, including your hypthetical .22, which isn't much good for hunting anything other than small birds and cute little bunnies. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-29-2006, 01:48 PM	#15
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Assault with a ????? Sorry, wolf, I'm just not good on guns. I actually have to talk and write about guns, but mostly Cilvil War ordinance (Minni Balls, etc.). That said, what would you consider an "assualt weapon?" In your first comment, you implied that all guns are such; why, then, do we not arm our soldiers with .22 rifles? My friend killed a deer with a .22 (shot to the head). And don't most fowl hunters use a shotgun anywaze? __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

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