What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

Agreed to a degree.

To what degree.

Originally Posted by classicman

Is that your plan?

No.

Originally Posted by classicman

When?

Sounds like rejection to me.

Originally Posted by classicman

What's your answer?

Annex Mexico.

[classicman]

No, we cannot have absolute zero illegal immigration. Thats too obvious for you to really be asking seriously, but what the hell I'll play along with your game.

To what degree. (?)

We must be able to control, AS BEST WE CAN, who enters our country. Building adequate systems to prevent illegal crossing of our borders, enforcing existing laws, including prosecuting companies who hire illegal immigrants and abuse them for their own financial gain, and lastly getting more than lip service from those whose responsibility it is to do so.
Did you watch the video posted? Have you read any statistics?

Annex Mexico

Care to elaborate on that?

Oh and a guesstimate on total aid given to Mexico is probably somewhere around $60 million a year.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

and lastly getting more than lip service from those whose responsibility it is to do so. ..

But I like lip service.

Originally Posted by classicman

Care to elaborate on that?

No. It speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by classicman

Oh and a guesstimate on total aid given to Mexico is probably somewhere around $60 million a year.

Which could be reduced if we annexed them. We wouldn't have to do things like...

Originally Posted by classicman

... Building adequate systems to prevent illegal crossing of our borders, enforcing existing laws, including prosecuting companies who hire illegal immigrants and abuse them for their own financial gain,

I know, I know, there would be additional costs associated with Mexico's annexation. There would also be some financial benefit, and a much greater amount of control, especially over any federal aid they would get.

[classicman]

ok - send in the troops.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

ok - send in the troops.

You don't think it can be done peacefully?

[classicman]

Nope

How is that solution rectifying any of the other illegal immigrants?
You seem to be only addressing those from Mexico.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

How is that solution rectifying any of the other illegal immigrants?
You seem to be only addressing those from Mexico.

You're funny. Do you forget this exchange from earlier in the thread?

Originally Posted by classicman

I have said "secure the border" repeatedly, so I'll respond in kind.

I do not know how to do it - no idea. well maybe one - There is this great wall I've heard about in China. ....

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Don't forget the ones that fly in.
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Originally Posted by classicman

I'm glad you find it humorous - Whats the percentage that fly in versus every other means?
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[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Are you saying that the country should set policy according to polls, then?

I said

I have less respect for politicians opinions, than that of the man on the street. At least the man on the street doesn't have to consider whether it's the politically correct answer.

and that's exactly what I meant.
The politicians should be finding out where John Q Public stands, instead of Big F Corp, before they decide to do something... or do nothing.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

The illegal immigration from Mexico will not stop, and cannot be stopped, until Mexicans feel that there is more benefit to staying in Mexico than there is in illegally entering the US.

Which was my point; I just went on longer about why. Meanwhile it should be noted that opportunity in the United States is such that people are breaking in here to partake of it. Until fairly recently there were Chinese shipping themselves in using cargo boxes to partake of it.

I diffidently suggest "Expoverish." How to make sure that doesn't mean not only empty pockets but pockets turned inside out, I dunno. "Repoverish," um... "Counterpoverish," er, no. This is getting to be like rustproofing your 15th-century helmet with Sallet Dressing.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Griff

Holy crap! We agree on two things in one post! We have three really good Mex places in our area now.

While we're celebrating our confluence here -- I can recall finding one bad (quite boring) Mexican restaurant in Ventura a couple years-plus ago. Promoted itself as a Baja style place, parked a VW dunebuggy with a couple shortboard surfboards on top as advertisement in the parking lot.

Used a microwave oven and ho-hum recipes that tasted like lunchroom food, lasted maybe eight months.

It's been replaced by a family-owned operation named El Burrito Alegre, which is very much better and has hung in there. They weren't able to move their chili-spiked chocolate brownies, which is a pity, because I liked the things. Thought they'd go well with some Starbucks from across the way.

Bad Mex doesn't dare crop up among the eateries here.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by classicman

You mean the legally mandated wage?

Originally Posted by classicman

Whats the percentage that fly in versus every other means?

I'm all for prosecuting and penalizing both parties.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Why do percentages matter? Gotta get them all.

Originally Posted by classicman

Really? If we solved, hypothetically 90% of this problem you'd still be dissatisfied?

You chose to make jokes or ignore the questions. Thats your choice. Have at it.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

You chose to make jokes or ignore the questions. Thats your choice. Have at it.

I accept your apology.

[TheMercenary]

Why do you liberals support Human Trafficing?

[classicman]

Support broadens among Americans for Arizona's tough illegal-immigrant law, while opposition sags

President Obama is opposed to the strict new illegal-immigrant law in Arizona. But a new poll now finds that he is in a shrinking minority of Americans and Democrats who do.

A new Pew Research Center Poll finds fully 73% of the country thinks police requesting immigration status documents is fine, while 67% think detaining someone for a status check is OK.

The poll reports that, overall, 59% approve of the law's broad provisions, while less than a third (32%) now oppose them. That is up significantly from a similar poll earlier this month.

Democrats, a large majority of whom originally opposed the law, are now....
... evenly split 45-46% approve-disapprove. The number of Democrats supporting the measure has been growing as more information spreads about its legal provisions and safeguards.

Republicans overwhelmingly approve the law (85%) signed by Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer in frustration over federal inaction on securing the state's borders with Mexico. A solid majority of independents (64%) also support the controversial measure. (See several related items below, including the law's full text.)

Even among young people, where support for the law is weakest, a majority support requiring people to produce immigration documents upon request by police.

Obama has called Arizona's state action "misguided," while agreeing that broad immigration reforms are needed. However, he's added that he does not see the "appetite" for addressing the problems after his rancorous intra-party healthcare debate. Nor has he taken additional steps to secure the borders.

The issue, involving fears of rising crime, assaults and illegal drug trading, has the potential to become an emotional one in this year's evolving midterm election campaigns and not to the advantage of congressional incumbents, most of whom are Democrats.

Fifty-four percent of Americans in the new Pew Poll disapprove of Obama's job performance on immigration while those who approve have waned from 31% last November to 29% last month to 25% today.

Again, Obama's Democratic party is now split (38% disapprove, 37% approve). Predictably, 75% of Republicans disapprove of his job in that area. But of potential future concern for the White House is that, among independents, a crucial leg of his national support in 2008, more than twice as many disapprove of his immigration handling (57%) as approve (25%).

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Thats an interesting development. I expected this to go the other way.

[richlevy]

But what does the absence of papers prove? A drivers license is not proof of citizenship. So how would someone prove that they are a citizen?

This reminds me of the movie Born in East L.A. where Cheech gets deported.