Interesting graphs and charts department - Page 158

Undertoad · 02-11-2020, 10:30 AM

Our younger generations are all progressive about gender roles. Also they are huge liars.

Luce · 02-11-2020, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Our younger generations are all progressive about gender roles. Also they are huge liars.

There's a flaw in that graph.

It shows what people of various ages are doing now, not what people of the older age did when they were the younger age.

Also, it asks do they do *more* than their partner. If it said "as much as", would the graph show different results?

Undertoad · 02-11-2020, 12:44 PM

It asked more likely/less likely, which I think teases out the actual reality.

Also I believe these reflect lifelong roles. Also I am a counter-example. I am in the 55+ category and I now do more of these things than my partner. In all earlier ages I would have done less.

glatt · 02-11-2020, 01:34 PM

If they say "time to clean" and then you both clean about the same, does that mean they do more because they initiated the cleaning and you would have happily lived in the filth for at least a few more months?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-12-2020, 01:03 AM

Nah, credit is earned regardless of motivation.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-13-2020, 02:42 AM

Billion dollar disasters...

xoxoxoBruce · 02-14-2020, 03:02 AM

Spring is here... well, there in the southeast.

Undertoad · 03-10-2020, 10:12 AM

"I don't believe an X can be elected President." via the Economist

Americans waaaaaay overestimate voters' prejudices against women and minorities.

Basically, for the red and blue dots, Rs and Ds were asked "Would America vote for a Presidential candidate who is X?" For the grey dots, everyone was asked "Would you vote for a candidate who was X?" Both sides are prone to believe other people will not support the minority identity.

Democrats are particularly prone to this – which ironically makes them less likely to support female or minority candidates due to concerns about electability.

Basically stated, we hate each other more than we hate people of identities, which is not very much, despite us believing that we do.

glatt · 03-10-2020, 10:19 AM

"Over age 70" polls extremely low. Isn't it grand the choices we have left?

This is a very interesting graph. Thanks for sharing it.

Griff · 03-10-2020, 12:59 PM

It's very interesting. The dynamic between how sexist or racist we willingly say or think we are vs how sexist or racist we think our neighbor is leaves a lot of play in the numbers.

My MiL, an old time feminist wouldn't vote for Warren based on her "overly-energetic" personality not her positions. Gender bias is interesting. Warren got pounded and gave ground on her funding of M4A but Bernie gets a pass. To me, Warren is obviously a better potential President than either Bernie or Joe but our self-deception or perception of other voters made sure that couldn't happen.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-11-2020, 01:31 AM

Yeah, she's too strong, that's voiced as abrasive in order to not say too strong for a woman to be. Need a Marilyn Monroe type to wrap the male voters around her little finger... along with double guards on the voting booths to keep wives out while he votes.

Clodfobble · 03-11-2020, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

It's very interesting. The dynamic between how sexist or racist we willingly say or think we are vs how sexist or racist we think our neighbor is leaves a lot of play in the numbers.

My MiL, an old time feminist wouldn't vote for Warren based on her "overly-energetic" personality not her positions. Gender bias is interesting. Warren got pounded and gave ground on her funding of M4A but Bernie gets a pass. To me, Warren is obviously a better potential President than either Bernie or Joe but our self-deception or perception of other voters made sure that couldn't happen.

There's also a dynamic between how racist/sexist we say (and genuinely believe) we are, vs. how our choices actually play out in the real world. It's the neverending "I would absolutely vote for a woman, just not that one..." syndrome.

Undertoad · 03-11-2020, 09:56 AM

Perhaps our secret racism/sexism, hidden even to ourselves, is actually what guides the world?

It's a perfect theory. It can't be disproven -- because the bias is so completely hidden, we aren't even aware of it

Every time a woman isn't elected, it is proof of the secret bias. But then, somehow, the fact we did elect and then re-elect a black man with 57% is also proof. As a nation, we ONLY did that to show that we AREN'T secret racists, or something.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-12-2020, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Every time a woman isn't elected, it is proof of the secret bias.

So every woman who runs for office against a man is a better choice?
That's bullshit.

Clodfobble · 03-11-2020, 06:09 PM

Yeah, man, I don't know about that last part. It's not an argument I've heard, but no doubt someone out there is making it.

02-12-2020, 01:03 AM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Nah, credit is earned regardless of motivation. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-13-2020, 02:42 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Billion dollar disasters... Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-14-2020, 03:02 AM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Spring Sprung Spring is here... well, there in the southeast. Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-10-2020, 12:59 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	It's very interesting. The dynamic between how sexist or racist we willingly say or think we are vs how sexist or racist we think our neighbor is leaves a lot of play in the numbers. My MiL, an old time feminist wouldn't vote for Warren based on her "overly-energetic" personality not her positions. Gender bias is interesting. Warren got pounded and gave ground on her funding of M4A but Bernie gets a pass. To me, Warren is obviously a better potential President than either Bernie or Joe but our self-deception or perception of other voters made sure that couldn't happen. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-11-2020, 01:31 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, she's too strong, that's voiced as abrasive in order to not say too strong for a woman to be. Need a Marilyn Monroe type to wrap the male voters around her little finger... along with double guards on the voting booths to keep wives out while he votes. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-11-2020, 10:30 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Our younger generations are all progressive about gender roles. Also they are huge liars.

02-11-2020, 12:44 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It asked more likely/less likely, which I think teases out the actual reality. Also I believe these reflect lifelong roles. Also I am a counter-example. I am in the 55+ category and I now do more of these things than my partner. In all earlier ages I would have done less.

02-11-2020, 01:34 PM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	If they say "time to clean" and then you both clean about the same, does that mean they do more because they initiated the cleaning and you would have happily lived in the filth for at least a few more months?

03-10-2020, 10:12 AM	#8
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"I don't believe an X can be elected President." via the Economist Americans waaaaaay overestimate voters' prejudices against women and minorities. Basically, for the red and blue dots, Rs and Ds were asked "Would America vote for a Presidential candidate who is X?" For the grey dots, everyone was asked "Would you vote for a candidate who was X?" Both sides are prone to believe other people will not support the minority identity. Democrats are particularly prone to this – which ironically makes them less likely to support female or minority candidates due to concerns about electability. Basically stated, we hate each other more than we hate people of identities, which is not very much, despite us believing that we do.

03-10-2020, 10:19 AM	#9
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	"Over age 70" polls extremely low. Isn't it grand the choices we have left? This is a very interesting graph. Thanks for sharing it.

03-11-2020, 09:56 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Perhaps our secret racism/sexism, hidden even to ourselves, is actually what guides the world? It's a perfect theory. It can't be disproven -- because the bias is so completely hidden, we aren't even aware of it Every time a woman isn't elected, it is proof of the secret bias. But then, somehow, the fact we did elect and then re-elect a black man with 57% is also proof. As a nation, we ONLY did that to show that we AREN'T secret racists, or something.

03-11-2020, 06:09 PM	#15
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Yeah, man, I don't know about that last part. It's not an argument I've heard, but no doubt someone out there is making it. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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