The Obamanation - Page 16

Happy Monkey · 03-27-2009, 11:04 AM

Right. You don't need to change to a flat tax, and you don't need to take the herbal supplements. You can just close loopholes and exercise more.

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Right. You don't need to change to a flat tax, and you don't need to take the herbal supplements. You can just close loopholes and exercise more.

It would still involve you getting money from me and I can't participate in that.

Happy Monkey · 03-27-2009, 11:10 AM

What would?

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 11:16 AM

I read your post wrong. I thought you were still trying to sell me down the river with your stupid supplements.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Right. You don't need to change to a flat tax,

I don't think you have your facts straight. You don't know what I need.

classicman · 03-27-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You can just close loopholes and exercise more.

Ding ding ding - We have a winner. I'm in.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You don't know what I need.

Perhaps not, But I'll still tell you & you'll like if I have to beat it into you.

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 11:53 AM

Thank you may I have another.

classicman · 03-27-2009, 01:18 PM

Who do you think I am Sugarpop?

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 01:27 PM

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Who do you think I am Sugarpop?

Dude, you are no Sugarpop. I know Sugarpop. And well... you're a dude. She is hot.

TheMercenary · 03-27-2009, 01:35 PM

sugarpop · 03-29-2009, 10:34 AM

I don't care about being rich. Many people don't care about being rich. They do care about having a good quality of life, where they can afford to live and pay their bills and make their obligations, and save a little for later in life, and still have some money left over to have some fun, and people should be able to that without having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. People should not have to live paycheck to paycheck, no matter what job they do. Not in this country, supposedly the best country in the world. You can't argue that we have the greatest country when so many people, people who work hard, are struggling just to survive.

classicman · 03-29-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

I don't care about being rich. Many people don't care about being rich. They do care about having a good quality of life, where they can afford to live and pay their bills and make their obligations, and save a little for later in life, and still have some money left over to have some fun, and people should be able to that without having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet.

There is a cost for "not being rich" If you want all that goes with it, you have to make the sacrifices to reap the rewards.

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People should not have to live paycheck to paycheck, no matter what job they do.
You can't argue that we have the greatest country when so many people, people who work hard, are struggling just to survive.

There is no utopia - it doesn't exist. I agree though this doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards this goal, but if you want, you have to earn. Your "I'm entitled to all these wonderful things just because I exist" is a mentality that I disagree with.

sugarpop · 03-29-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

There is a cost for "not being rich" If you want all that goes with it, you have to make the sacrifices to reap the rewards.

There is no utopia - it doesn't exist. I agree though this doesn't mean we shouldn't work towards this goal, but if you want, you have to earn. Your "I'm entitled to all these wonderful things just because I exist" is a mentality that I disagree with.

What is the cost for not being rich? Not being able to own a big yatch or an expensive sports car, or not being able to go skiing in Switzerland every year? I'm not even talking about that stuff. I'm talking about people who work their ASS off, and still have trouble affording food and health care and the necessities of life.

People should be able to have a decent job, and if they work hard, they should be paid well enough to afford nutritious food, and since we don't want government health care in this country, then they should be paid enough to afford a GOOD insurance policy that completely covers them and their family (if they have one), and they should be able to afford to buy new clothes/shoes once in a while, and their utilities and a phone, and some kind of transportation (even if it's a bicycle), and to go out to dinner once in a while, maybe once every couple of months, or to see a movie, and they should be paid enough to save a little.

Now I am not stupid. I know that, even if we paid everyone well enough to afford those things, some people still would not manage their money well. But what has gone on in this country for the past 30 years is not about that, it's about people being left completely behind. There IS plenty of money for everyone, if the people at the top would just be a little less greedy.

The truth is, the GAP between the top and bottom has grown horribly over the past 30 years. CEO pay has skyrocketed, while pay for the middle class has remained stagnant or grown very little. Why is it OK with you for the pay to jump so damn much at the top, and to remain the same for everyone else? Don't you see the unfairness of that? Not only that, don't you see the unsustainability of it? I honestly do not get the reasoning of people like you, who cheer for the uber wealthy, while demonizing the majority of Americans. In this country, CEOs used to earn 30x more than the average worker, which is close to what it is in other countries right now, higher even, NOW, a CEO earns around 500x more. What makes you think that is OK? Why was it OK for Carly Fiorina to walk away from HP with millions of dollars after she ran the company into the ground? Why is it OK for CEOs to take giant sums of money in bonuses while they lay people off and cut their benefits? Good grief!

TheMercenary · 03-29-2009, 03:22 PM

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I don't care about being rich.

I forgot my /sarcasm tags.

lookout123 · 03-29-2009, 01:50 PM

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WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ELIMINATE POVERTY IN THIS COUNTRY.

No we don't. We have the ability to raise incomes across the board, thus bringing everyone above the current poverty line. Yippee! oh wait, what was the definition of inflation again? If minimum wage is $50K/year, within a short period of time it will cost $60K to be above the poverty line. That is how it works, like it or not.

TGRR · 03-29-2009, 01:56 PM

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No we don't. We have the ability to raise incomes across the board, thus bringing everyone above the current poverty line. Yippee! oh wait, what was the definition of inflation again? If minimum wage is $50K/year, within a short period of time it will cost $60K to be above the poverty line. That is how it works, like it or not.

It also depends on what you call "poverty". 3 square meals and a roof over your head is unheard-of luxury, historically speaking.

03-27-2009, 11:04 AM	#1
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Right. You don't need to change to a flat tax, and you don't need to take the herbal supplements. You can just close loopholes and exercise more. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-27-2009, 11:10 AM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What would? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-27-2009, 11:53 AM	#6
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Thank you may I have another. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-27-2009, 01:18 PM	#7
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Who do you think I am Sugarpop? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-27-2009, 01:35 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-29-2009, 10:34 AM	#10
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I don't care about being rich. Many people don't care about being rich. They do care about having a good quality of life, where they can afford to live and pay their bills and make their obligations, and save a little for later in life, and still have some money left over to have some fun, and people should be able to that without having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. People should not have to live paycheck to paycheck, no matter what job they do. Not in this country, supposedly the best country in the world. You can't argue that we have the greatest country when so many people, people who work hard, are struggling just to survive.

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