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02-11-2012, 05:22 PM | #242 |
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Here's another poser for you (collective you, but mostly people like merc who think the church should be able to opt out): if the catholic church - or their affiliated schools, hospitals, etc - doesn't recognize gay marriages as "marriage", should they still, in states where gay marriage is legal, have to acknowledge the civil compact between a gay employee and their spouse, when it comes to health insurance coverage or other benefits that extend to spouses?
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Thats a good one, Ibs. I can respect them choosing not to marry within their religion, but on first thought I would have to say yes they should.
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As I said in my post above, this fight is not about contraception.
It is a power struggle of the Catholic Bishop's Conference. NY Times By LAURIE GOODSTEIN February 11, 2012 Bishops Reject White House’s New Plan on Contraception Quote:
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Ibs got me thinking too... I wonder if Muslim hospitals be allowed to be run based on Sharia Law?
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Sharia law is a red herring. Santorum is more their man.
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@ Lamp - huh? I really know nothing about their medical preferences. Just curious.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't think the state or Feds should allow religious institutions to decide for us. Then again, I really don't want the Gov't choosing either. (shrug)
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Did you watch Meet the Press this morning.
This is a planned campaign - "Not Romney" - "Not Obama" - Paul is unelectable - Gingrich is uncontrollable - Suddenly Santorum has $ |
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And the same worry occurs in case of injury or death overseas. Men who have been together 10, 20+ years (and the rest) with no rights and no say in the life of their loved one. But of course we're talking about something as ridiculous as marrying your dog, so it doesn't matter. |
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Can you spell D-E-T-E-R-I-O-R-A-T-I-N-G
Several years ago, the Oregon Legislature made Oregon Health Sciences University and Hospitals, fiscally independent of the Legislature, putting them into competition with other health care providers. So OHSU elected to become the sole health-care plan (insurer) to their own employees. Reverberations of conflict of interest are now rumbling in the bowels of "Pill Hill". . |
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Think of the precedent. If employer A is allowed to exempt certain things from being covered due to religious beliefs, where does that end?
Bill to allow employer to deny any preventative service The bill failed, as well it should, but seriously...WTF is wrong with people? Offering coverage is not the same as forcing you to take the effing pills. I literally had this arguement with an old friend on Facebook yesterday...he said, Obama wants to prevent us from having babies!! ExCUSE me? How would YOU go about reducing abortions and preventing unwanted pregnancies? How about we start with eduction and affordable contraception? And I'm not talking about the 5 month waiting list at the health department or braving the demonstrators screaming in your face at Planned Parenthood. I mean, my doctor checks me out, writes a prescription, I get it filled. Then, every month, I go to the pharmacy and pick it up. Or, like in some places in Europe and in Mexico, buy the damn birth control over the counter without a prescription for pennies, or totally free with a prescription. But no, that's anti-religion here in the land of the free, home of the brave.
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You can buy unprescribed "morning after" pills over the counter, after a consultation with a pharmacist (who asks questions about protection, chlamydia, AIDs etc) That's comparitively expensive though - £25 last I knew. It's free from sexual health clinics and in certain pharmacies, depending on region and age. Again, the same sexual health questions will be asked. Quote:
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Oh, and no, the Church doesn't have to do that because DOMA is still being fought in the courts.
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noun a question or problem that is puzzling or confusing. And no, Merc, that's wrong. DOMA only applies to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. not to institutions. In states where gay marriage is legal, groups operating in those states HAVE to legally acknowledge the marriage in that state. Does that infringe on their religious liberty? Does it infringe on Catholics' religious liberty that insurance benefits to spouses have to be given even if said spouse is a second or third spouse after divorce?
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