WikiLeaks

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

Hey mercy...

do you think the arms control treaty signed with Russia was a good idea?

I general terms I think it was long over due but not sure that it really does that much to really reduce the risk. A better idea might be to have closer relations with the Russkies but with Putin in charge I doubt that will happen.

[OnyxCougar]

Why? Because crimes carried out that serve the Government's agenda and target its opponents are permitted and even encouraged; cyber-attacks are "crimes" only when undertaken by those whom the Government dislikes, but are perfectly permissible when the Government itself or those with a sympathetic agenda unleash them. Whoever launched those cyber attacks at WikiLeaks (whether government or private actors) had no more legal right to do so than Anonymous, but only the latter will be prosecuted.

That's the same dynamic that causes the Obama administration to be obsessed with prosecuting WikiLeaks but not The New York Times or Bob Woodward, even though the latter have published far more sensitive government secrets; WikiLeaks is adverse to the government while the NYT and Woodward aren't, and thus "law" applies to punish only the former. The same mindset drives the Government to shield high-level political officials who commit the most serious crimes, while relentlessly pursuing whistle-blowers who expose their wrongdoing. Those with proximity to government power and who serve and/or control it are free from the constraints of law; those who threaten or subvert it have the full weight of law come crashing down upon them.

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Merc, how can you see nothing wrong with leaving Manning in Solitary Confinement without a trial since MAY? HE HASN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

eta: linky

[tw]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Guantanamo. Secret Prisons. Extraordinary rendition. Patriot Act. Suspending Habeas Corpus. Abu Ghriad. Do any of these extremist approved actions form a pattern?

800 imprisoned in Guantanamo. Well over 600 were innocent. Sorry? Nope. They did not even get an apology. Extremism says that was (and is) acceptable. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition either. Which continued into the 20th Century. No problem. We made the world safe for god – and his Patriots.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Guantanamo. Secret Prisons. Extraordinary rendition. Patriot Act. Suspending Habeas Corpus. Abu Ghriad. Do any of these extremist approved actions form a pattern?

Yeah. A pattern of winning a war with people who will never negotiate a settlement. If we're not practicing a war of extermination of this mindset, we are altogether stupid.

800 imprisoned in Guantanamo. Well over 600 were innocent. Sorry? Nope. They did not even get an apology.

Just who apologizes for taking POW's, that being de facto who's in Gitmo. Those who demand an apology for this want humanity to lose to violent, inhuman extremists. Tw, that is you, and that is why you out-suck a black hole, you non-musical pig who cannot sing.

Extremism says that was (and is) acceptable. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition either.

Irrelevancy piled upon fascist sympathy. No wonder you are still single.

[TheMercenary]

[quote=OnyxCougar;711364 What happened to innocent until proven guilty?[/QUOTE]

That's not how it works in the military. He knew what he signed up for when he signed his paperwork to gain the security clearance. The documents are clear and the punishments are spelled out on paper. He would not be there if they did not have a rock solid case. Whistle Blower Acts do not apply.

[Uday]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That's not how it works in the military. He knew what he signed up for when he signed his paperwork to gain the security clearance. The documents are clear and the punishments are spelled out on paper. He would not be there if they did not have a rock solid case. Whistle Blower Acts do not apply.

So no trial for Manning? He is just to rot in the cell forever?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Uday

So no trial for Manning? He is just to rot in the cell forever?

Oh no. He will get a military trial called a General Court-Martial. When they have concluded their investigation.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Uday

So no trial for Manning? He is just to rot in the cell forever?

The real criminals are the fools who decided to put all these secrets available to the most trusted one half million people. Without any way to monitor who was accessing what and why. Well, this was the George Jr administration. The same administration that decided White House lawyers must rewrite all science papers.

Anyone of one half million people could access anything they wanted on that database. In responsible organizations, a person accessing secrets without good reason was investigated. But those half million were clearly right wing conservatives - therefore could be trusted.

Therein lies the person(s) who should be prosecuted for exercising power without sufficient intelligence. But that means again, the battle of moderates verses extremists. The problem will be ignored. Extremists line up to defend their people rather than advance the nation.

Stupidity apparently is not limited there. Consistent rumors suggest that in the 2000, the Chinese obtained plans for all of America's nuclear weapons. While hyping myths of an invented Al Qaeda under everyone's bed, they ignored basic cyber security. Even drove out of office Richard Clark who was warning of that problem.

The real criminals simply said one half million people can be trusted with those secrets. No questions asked.

[classicman]

Sorry Onyx - thats more or less just a myth created to keep the sheep in line...
This is totally different though, This is a military issue. They play by another set of rules than the rest of the population.

Oh and your linky - http://www.commondreams.org/about-us ...
We publish breaking news from a progressive perspective.

Yeh not that I don't think its wrong that he is in solitary, because I do, but me thinks that site it spinning things a bit as well.

[TheMercenary]

Charges come to the surface. Manning may not see the light of day. Thank God.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030205207.html

[monster]

WikiLeaks has no Osama Been Leaded pictures? FAIL

[ZenGum]

That was TW in the Zimmerman Vs Martin Thread:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=29213&page=9

Sexo is being a bit of a dick lately, generally. I hope this partial conviction cheers him up.

[BigV]

*snicker*

[Lamplighter]

OMG Sexobon mistook me for TW ?

... and I wasn't even wearing a hoodie

[sexobon]

Ding Ding Ding! ZenGum wins for guessing the source of the mystery quote. Tw's blanket statement "... In a real world, not guilty does not mean innocent...." seemed apropos. Lamp is kidding himself if he thinks I mistook him for tw; however, it does raise the possibility that they are related. Oh yeah, ZenGum doesn't get even a bit of a dick for winning. Sorry, I know it's been a long time.