Wild West Politics?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Correction: "Andrew Sullivan, the liberal blogger who was briefly conservative in 2002 when he was briefly a Bush fan and pro-Iraq war, positions he has backed away from with vigor..."

Mr Sullivan has been the most rabidly anti-Palin pundit there is.

I am sure his views are hardly biased..... rrriiggght.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I always knew there was an element of that. But I didn't think it was as entrenched as it is in our system. I began to get an inkling of it during the Bush years of course.

Your previous post was very good. I am glad that you noted when the majority of the evilness in our political process started, in the Bush years. And here we are.

[Sheldonrs]

I do not condone violence, not even upon people I hate.
However, when certain people die of natural causes, "When that day comes I shall futterwacken... vigorously."

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Your previous post was very good. I am glad that you noted when the majority of the evilness in our political process started, in the Bush years. And here we are.

No, she said she started to notice it as an across-the-ponder, during the Bush years, not that it started then.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, she said she started to notice it as an across-the-ponder, during the Bush years, not that it started then.

I guess I was sort of agreeing with her because that is when I noticed it the most. It goes back over 100 years in our national politics. It just seems to really have peaked at that time in my life. To be honest most of us in the military don't pay that much attention to it when you are just taking your marching orders on a day to day basis. But if we look at the Vietnam era you could almost say it was actually much worse in the late 60's and early 70's.

[Pico and ME]

I noticed it with Clinton.

I was too young to remember, but was there a lot of hate directed at Carter? I know he wasn't liked or respected.

[Lamplighter]

Carter was, and still is, despised by the Republicans because the oil crisis happened on his watch.

Maybe there were also some hard feelings about Carter's boycott of the Moscow Olympics in response to the Russians invading Afghanistan.
(It's strange how what goes around, comes around !)

But I don't recall any "violence" attached to all that, probably because Carter provided the nation a much needed respite after the Nixon debacle.

[HungLikeJesus]

I thought the oil crisis was in 1973 and Jimmy Carter wasn't president until 1977.

[Pico and ME]

He probably meant the Iran Hostage Crisis.

[TheMercenary]

Maybe he was talking about the Iranian Oil Lube Hostage Crisis, aka as the Crisco Crisis.

[Lamplighter]

Sexabon, I do apologize for resurrecting a dead horse.
But this came to my attention just a few minutes ago, and I think it is a remarkable coincidence.

It turns out that there actually was a man at the Tuscon shooting scene carrying a loaded gun.
The interview with him is remarkable because it appears he is very creditable, level headed, and honest.

I really regret the interview took place on MSNBC's Ed Show,
because Ed is an extremely liberal talking head, and often is over the edge.
(The remainder of his show is NOT my reason for this posting.)

But please watch at least the portion of the show starting around
the 1:15 minute mark and up through this man's very last remark
about who he was prepare to kill.

Fortunately he was in control of himself, and was stopped by some bystanders.

[TheMercenary]

If he failed to shot the shooter, he failed.

[Lamplighter]

Funny, the interview lead me to believe he was completely responsible and did exactly the right thing.

But then maybe you watched a different interview.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I guess I was sort of agreeing with her because that is when I noticed it the most. It goes back over 100 years in our national politics. It just seems to really have peaked at that time in my life. To be honest most of us in the military don't pay that much attention to it when you are just taking your marching orders on a day to day basis. But if we look at the Vietnam era you could almost say it was actually much worse in the late 60's and early 70's.

Vietnam brought about a great divide (my father and myself ), but the violence at Chicago, and Kent State were more the exception than the rule. But after 9-11, the violent political rhetoric seemed to ramp up considerably, for me. Just before the 2000 election, I noticed the big money, and their lobbyists, who used to try to maintain a low profile, coming out of the shadows and asserting their muscle. I think this was encouraged by the Rove/Cheney duo.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Carter was, and still is, despised by the Republicans because the oil crisis happened on his watch.

Carter was despised by republicans because he used words, negotiations, and reason to resolve issues, instead of military force.