Impeding changes to our Health Care system - Page 176

Ibby · 01-15-2012, 12:36 PM

Well, in VERMONT, the health care exchanges that Vermont was embracing before obamacare and the planned single-payer system already signed into law here put me in a pretty good position health-care wise. It'll be a few years before the exchanges are running but it'll be a few years before my Tricare coverage lapses.

Undertoad · 01-15-2012, 12:55 PM

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put me in a pretty good position health-care wise

Because there was a political battle to have Obamacare not apply to you.

Ibby · 01-15-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Because there was a political battle to have Obamacare not apply to you.

Well, yes. A waiver has to be given to Vermont to let it opt out of Obamacare - a wavier the current administration has said they're going to give Vermont based on current information, as the VT healthcare bill would do more than Obamacare would. Obama has said, at least, that he doesn't plan to give waivers to states to implement less rather than more protection for its citizens. I'm all for having waivers to Obamacare for states that think it doesn't do enough - it's waiving it in states that want to do nothing instead that I have a problem with.

Undertoad · 01-16-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

it's waiving it in states that want to do nothing instead that I have a problem with.

Choice "B" it is. Penalties to be collected by the IRS.

Undertoad · 01-15-2012, 01:35 PM

Yes, it was multiple choice, not essay, and the answer was "B".

Clodfobble · 01-15-2012, 03:45 PM

Unless, of course, it turns out next year that Ibram has lupus. Shitty lottery to win, but you can be sure after that that he will spend virtually anything on a good policy, because it will still be cheaper than his medical costs would be. Good thing he has that option now.

And he will be a walking, talking recommendation to his friends for buying good health coverage, not the cheapest they can get away with. He will say, "Hey, friend with a wife and baby. You see this shitty thing that happened to me out of nowhere? If it happens to you, your wife and baby will be living in a box on the street." And his friend might be smart enough to learn the lesson, and it might change his understanding of what he can and can't afford.

ZenGum · 01-15-2012, 06:17 PM

Remember Ibram used to live in Taiwan.

In Taiwan they have universal health coverage - all in one system so none of this "pre-existing condition" nonsense.

It is government run, thus eliminating the drive for profit.

Governments are inefficient, right? Not this time. The administration costs have been whittled down to ONE PERCENT of the total bill. For comparison, in the USA, admin is 28% of the helath care budget.

That's before we get to the malpractise insurance costs and the highly unlikely tests that docs have to do to cover themsleves.

DanaC · 01-16-2012, 06:14 AM

Nicely put Ibica

ZenGum · 01-16-2012, 06:59 AM

Ibica? Isn't that where the Spanish go for their holidays?

DanaC · 01-16-2012, 07:05 AM

No idea

Ibram + Erica (I get that right?) = Ibica.

or Eram.

Ibica sounds nicer.

ZenGum · 01-16-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

No idea

Ibram + Erica (I get that right?) = Ibica.

or Eram.

Ibica sounds nicer.

Ibiza .. pronunced with the z as that lispy c/th/s sound they use, sounded a bit like Ibica.

The nun did faint, but not from the joke.

Ibby · 01-16-2012, 06:20 PM

i don't understand your point, UT. Of course i'm going to have to pay for insurance or a penalty for not having it. That's the whole point. I'd just rather be paying for government insurance than private insurance under a single-payer system. I don't favor the mandate, as opposed to single-payer or to a lesser degree socialized medicine (sorry brits, i think single-payer works better than your commie shit (<3)), but a mandate is still better than nothing at all. Just because I'm a reckless young'un who WOULDN'T buy insurance if there WASN'T a mandate, doesn't mean I have a problem paying for it or paying the fee as i should.

DanaC · 01-16-2012, 07:12 PM

Oh yeah...

Undertoad · 01-16-2012, 07:15 PM

Hey man like I said devil's advocate.

My guess is that you won't pay, and will take the fine instead, saving yourself between $700 and $1400 per year depending on what kind of money you make.

We won't really know what to hate about the system until we are knee-deep in it and people are hustling it.

DanaC · 01-16-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

We won't really know what to hate about the system until we are knee-deep in it and people are hustling it.

Very well put.

01-15-2012, 12:36 PM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Well, in VERMONT, the health care exchanges that Vermont was embracing before obamacare and the planned single-payer system already signed into law here put me in a pretty good position health-care wise. It'll be a few years before the exchanges are running but it'll be a few years before my Tricare coverage lapses. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-15-2012, 03:45 PM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Unless, of course, it turns out next year that Ibram has lupus. Shitty lottery to win, but you can be sure after that that he will spend virtually anything on a good policy, because it will still be cheaper than his medical costs would be. Good thing he has that option now. And he will be a walking, talking recommendation to his friends for buying good health coverage, not the cheapest they can get away with. He will say, "Hey, friend with a wife and baby. You see this shitty thing that happened to me out of nowhere? If it happens to you, your wife and baby will be living in a box on the street." And his friend might be smart enough to learn the lesson, and it might change his understanding of what he can and can't afford. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-15-2012, 06:17 PM	#7
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Remember Ibram used to live in Taiwan. In Taiwan they have universal health coverage - all in one system so none of this "pre-existing condition" nonsense. It is government run, thus eliminating the drive for profit. Governments are inefficient, right? Not this time. The administration costs have been whittled down to ONE PERCENT of the total bill. For comparison, in the USA, admin is 28% of the helath care budget. That's before we get to the malpractise insurance costs and the highly unlikely tests that docs have to do to cover themsleves. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-16-2012, 06:59 AM	#9
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Ibica? Isn't that where the Spanish go for their holidays? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-16-2012, 06:20 PM	#12
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	i don't understand your point, UT. Of course i'm going to have to pay for insurance or a penalty for not having it. That's the whole point. I'd just rather be paying for government insurance than private insurance under a single-payer system. I don't favor the mandate, as opposed to single-payer or to a lesser degree socialized medicine (sorry brits, i think single-payer works better than your commie shit (<3)), but a mandate is still better than nothing at all. Just because I'm a reckless young'un who WOULDN'T buy insurance if there WASN'T a mandate, doesn't mean I have a problem paying for it or paying the fee as i should. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-15-2012, 01:35 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes, it was multiple choice, not essay, and the answer was "B".

01-16-2012, 07:15 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Hey man like I said devil's advocate. My guess is that you won't pay, and will take the fine instead, saving yourself between $700 and $1400 per year depending on what kind of money you make. We won't really know what to hate about the system until we are knee-deep in it and people are hustling it.

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