Do You Own a Gun?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I was thinking of suggesting closing the thread as well, but I didn't know that was done in this forum. I wish I hadn't opened it to begin with.

Amazing what a simple question can bring about.

It's all your fault. I bet you killed Kenny, too, you bastard!:p

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Many people here, including myself, have proven that natural rights exist until taken away by society.... all great scholars and even the founding fathers understood that.
But alas, you keep ordering fudge ripple, silly.

All you've done is express your concept of reality. There's no proof.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

With regard to the slaughter of children, yes, I do. It is generally agreed that there are only a few natural rights, but they are the biggies. No one will ever convince me that I am wrong about them.

If your mind is closed in this matter, there's no need to continue the debate

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

If you believe that there are situations where it is not utterly wrong to slaughter innocent children for the purposes of tradition or societal convention, then yes, our moralities are definitely mutually exclusive.

I don't "believe that there are situations where it is not utterly wrong to slaughter innocent children for the purposes of tradition or societal convention", but I reserve the right to change my mind.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

If that's your point, than you have no point. We do have universal, immutable, and undeniable rights and they are the same for all people regardless of what personal beliefs they have or what kind of culture or "society" they live in or were raised in. Some "societies" violate rights more than others, but that does not mean people don't have the universal and natural rights that are being violated.

Wrong. They may violate what you perceive as rights, but your perception doesn't make it so.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

we're john wayne motherfuckers

Personally speaking, I've never fucked John Wayne's mother.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Wrong. They may violate what you perceive as rights, but your perception doesn't make it so.

Wrong. My rights aren't a perception, a "concept", or a social agreement. My rights are a tangible reality whether or not you choose to ignore them. If you doubt my rights are a reality, try to violate them and you will find very real bullets in your ass.

[xoxoxoBruce]

General Question Has anyone changed their mind or position because of this thread?

[Cloud]

of course not--because arguing is futile!

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

General Question Has anyone changed their mind or position because of this thread?

Yeah. four times. Now I'm back where I started, just twice as certain.

But the way, which issue are you talking about? Guns? Rights? Ridiculing posts? Radar's assholicity? Not that it really matters...

Originally Posted by Cloud

of course not--because arguing is futile!

Good thing some of us are discussing.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Yeah. four times. Now I'm back where I started, just twice as certain.

But the way, which issue are you talking about? Guns? Rights? Ridiculing posts? Radar's assholicity? Not that it really matters...

Looks who is acting Ass Holier than thou now!

[zippyt]

Shut this fucking useless damn thread DOWN UT !!!!
Some folksjust cant agree to dissagree .

[Radar]

Someone stop the thread of death! lol

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by zippyt

Shut this fucking useless damn thread DOWN UT !!!!

Why? It will just continue on here and if that thread gets shut down as well, the grudge will appear in a new one. The gun debate has been here before and it will come again in a cycle as sure as the seasons.

The only difference this time around is a handful of hard-headed posters that are more dead set than usual. Let 'em go, ignore the thread, and move on to other things. Why be tied up in this debate? There are better topics of interest, here. I'm not sure why so many people are still clinging to the gun discussion so many days after it was kicked off.

Beer. Beer and posting. Relax. It's good for you, good for everyone despite not all having come to that realization, yet. This isn't that serious of a place. ...is it?



Besides, if UT shuts this down, I'll be one of the few (the first?) to be honored by starting a thread that gets locked. While I'd love to have my name on the wall for that, I don't want it to be over a fucking yes/no poll question!

[Cloud]

Beer!

'tho beer and guns don't mix too well.