Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And whose fault is that? Not the TV's... As I have recently posted in other threads, the broadcast media is making an attempt to expose the deafining silence that the Moderate Muslims continue to maintain in the face of their otherwise beautiful religion as it becomes co-opted by extremists.

Must have missed that unless you are talking about the five or so articles that you gave me on the Bush thread. But I didn't see anything about mainstream media on there.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Must have missed that unless you are talking about the five or so articles that you gave me on the Bush thread. But I didn't see anything about mainstream media on there.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=14770 first two posts.

[DanaC]

Muslima, pierce raises an interesting point. The whole issue of the cartoons, demonstrated not so much the religious divide as the cultural one. In the west, cartoons and lampoonery of respected and important figures (political and religious) has a long history. It is just something we do.

what do you know about Islam, I swear that all what you think about Islam are completly false

I think you are falling into the trap of assuming everybody on this board shares a similar opinion on Islam, and has experienced similar levels of exposure to people of that faith. This isn't so.

Whilst I'd be the first to admit that there is a rising tide, amongst some elements of British society, of Islamophobia, for the most part Islam as a faith has been welcomed in Britain. There have been sticky cultural issues to get to grips with, but they have generally been, as I say, cultural, rather than religious. (e.g., the level of covering a woman is expected to use; the level of choice involved in marriage; domestic violence in the guise of 'honour').

These issues have provoked tensions amongst both the non-Islamic and the Islamic parts of our community, but there's a lot of cross cultural communication and we have a large population of British Moslems of varying cultural heritages.

[BrianR]

I would also like to chime in and say that I am one of the few here who can rightly claim to have visited several predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East (twice).

I found that most people there welcomed me freely, didn't care about my religion and tolerated my attempts to speak Arabic, even correcting me if I butchered the language too badly.

That said, I was also shot at more than once. So, not ALL people there were happy at my presence. I tend to doubt that it was because I drank Coke (owned by a Jew) publicly, as was suggested by a fellow traveler. I think it was more the fact that I am an American, traveling under the Stars and Stripes. They were more interested in my nationality and striking at The Great Satan (their term, not mine).

I do not fault all Muslims for this, only the extremists who encourage this violence in the name of God. To be fair, I also fault extremists of ANY religion who attempt to force their views on others.

If the violence would stop, I would be happy to visit that area again someday. Until the locals step up and stop hiding these thugs, the violence will continue. Do Arabs have shunning like our Mennonites do? Perhaps that will help.

We cannot force people to stop killing each other over there. It is not our job or business. Only THEY can stop it. When the leaders of the affected countries stand up to these radicals and say "NO MORE!"; when they say that Allah is a merciful God and does not condone the murder of innocents in His name, THEN maybe everyone can breathe easier.

How many more bombings of public areas will the citizens there tolerate? Seventeen were killed last night alone. Is a civil war what it takes to end violence? Does violence beget violence? Can't we all just get along? Guess not.

I have no answers, only questions and more questions.

Welcome to the Cellar, stay and enjoy the company...I do. There is lively debate here and many different opinions. Feel free to disagree or agree as suits you but be warned, intolerance is not tolerated.

Also, please use proper English as found in either Oxford's or Webster's dictionaries. Text-speak is annoying and hard on the eyes. It is unfortunate that few here can speak Arabic to you and thus there are difficulties in translation from one to the other. We will strive to understand this but you must also understand that words mean things here and some are quick to jump to the wrong conclusions based on what you have said, even if it is not what you meant.

Now it's time for me to get back to work and stop goofing off.

Brian

[Ibby]

Islam is exactly like christianity unless you are part of one or the other.

Same great message, same thought, same god... same fundamentalist assholes ruining it for everyone.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Same great message, same thought, same god... same fundamentalist assholes ruining it for everyone.

Nooooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Cardinal Fang. The cushy pillow.

The stupidity of actions justified by religion is that funny. Black humor in red robes.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Islam is exactly like christianity unless you are part of one or the other.

Really? When did the Christian's rise up, riot, and kill people in the last 20 years because the NY Times ran a cartoon of Jesus in the paper? How about a Jew joke? When did they rise up and chop off someones head because someone made fun of their God? Hmmmmmm....

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Really? When did the Christian's rise up, riot, and kill people in the last 20 years because the NY Times ran a cartoon of Jesus in the paper? How about a Jew joke? When did they rise up and chop off someones head because someone made fun of their God? Hmmmmmm....

One, the actions of a few DO NOT represents the views of the majority. Two, I think earlier on this thread they showed that it was only around 1,000 people in the entire world that protested against the cartoons.

Anyways, you can't compare modern Islam to modern Christianity because Christianity has become liberalized. To compare the two you would have to ask what would 13-16th century Christians do? Those are people that attacked Jerusalem just because they felt like they owned it, tried to kill off an entire continent, and the paranoia with the Salem witch trials. The closest you can get is to compare them to the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and protest at soldier’s funerals. Conservative religions never have a good reputation when it comes to violence and you can not single Islam out as violent since both Christianity and Judaism have been very violent in the past.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

One, the actions of a few DO NOT represents the views of the majority. Two, I think earlier on this thread they showed that it was only around 1,000 people in the entire world that protested against the cartoons.

There was over a thousand in London alone.

what would 13-16th century Christians do?

Off topic.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

you can not single Islam out as violent since both Christianity and Judaism have been very violent in the past.

Exactly--just like I can own slaves, and you can't criticize me for it because America used to have legal slavery in the past.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Exactly--just like I can own slaves, and you can't criticize me for it because America used to have legal slavery in the past.

I criticize them, I think in both scenarios they are wrong but I am not going to criticize their whole religion or country as naturally violent because of it. If Islam is liberalized than it will be no more violent or peaceful than Christianity just like if your country gets rid of slavery, it will be no more ethically different from our perspective.

Anyways, the Muslims that are violent are a minority in the religion and for the regions that violence is widespread, it is most likely religion.

[Muslima]

TheMercenary ,,
what would be your reaction towards who make a joke of your father?!! (we can call it freedom) I think you won't leave him until teaching him a lesson,,
our prophet is more than a father.. if u accept it on your father,, i think we will too!!!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Muslima

TheMercenary ,,
what would be your reaction towards who make a joke of your father?!! (we can call it freedom) I think you won't leave him until teaching him a lesson,,
our prophet is more than a father.. if u accept it on your father,, i think we will too!!!

Well, I don't think I would insite riots, burn down buildings, threaten the cartoonist with death, or cause general mayhem... but that's just me.

[TheMercenary]

"Thousands of angry Muslims have taken to the streets in Arab capitals, in other Muslim countries and in Europe. "

http://www.voanews.com/english/archi...TOKEN=92160901

"On Friday 500 demonstrators marched from Regent's Park Mosque to the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge to protest at the publication of "blasphemous" cartoons in a Danish newspaper, and subsequently in other countries and on the BBC."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...05/nflag05.xml


"At the root of the problem a dozen of ironic cartoon strips on Mohammad, published in September by Jyllands-Posten. One for example, depicts the prophet wearing a turban form bomb, another shows him telling smoking kamikazes on their arrival among the clouds that "there are no virgins left", an ironic take on the prize that await martyrs in heaven.

Of course in the Islamic world no one has actually seen these cartoons, but accusations launched against the daily by the media and politicians have catalyzed a growing reaction, which has spread to include Norway, given that an Oslo daily has labelled the strip as "blasphemous"."

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=5256&size=