Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers - Page 2

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 09:20 AM

Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards)

OR:

Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are?

Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION.

Give me a fucking break.

Elspode · 11-17-2006, 09:28 AM

Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

"No Child Left Unsubdued"

I think that one has more to do with the mandatory druggings of children in public schools, as in THX 1138.

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 09:35 AM

(just gotta get used to it)
We all get it in the end
(just gotta get used to it)
We go down and we come up again
(just gotta get used to it)
You irritate me my friend
This is no social crisis
This is you having fun
(no crisis)
Getting burned by the sun
(this is true)
This is no social crisis
Just another tricky day for you

Townshend 1981

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:08 AM

:::quotes every other rock song, ever, as a rebuttal:::

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 10:08 AM

OK, what do we know?
Evidently the kid was actually using the computer legally but didn't have his papers in order so they were following procedure when they asked (told) him to leave.
He didn't respond quickly enough for them because he either copped an attitude, was in the middle of a download or was trying to finish a paper due in the morning....... or a combination.

If he copped an attitude, it was because he was an ass or because the campus cops are bullys....likely both.

My personal experience with "enforcement" is the more power the officer has, the less they abuse people. More professional, if you will. The State Police give, nor take, any bullshit, the locals are more prone to being pushy or bullying, and rent-a-cops are complete dicks.

The Patriot act doesn't change that, except to add more people with a little power to the mix, like airport/railroad screeners. Giving them tasers just makes their ongoing abuse more visible.

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program?

Brilliant!

DanaC · 11-17-2006, 10:18 AM

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Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number

That bit really blew me away.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The Patriot act doesn't change that, except to add more people with a little power to the mix, like airport/railroad screeners.
Giving them tasers just makes their ongoing abuse more visible.

As much as the fault is with the offending individual, the example they are following comes from the top.

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 10:36 AM

The human brain is built to notice patterns: to connect the dots to form a picture.

Sometimes there is a real pattern. Sometimes they are part of a larger pattern. And sometimes there are just dots.

If you look for a pattern, you will probably find one.

If you are convinced there is a pattern, you will definitely find one.

In March 1991, LA cops tasered Rodney King. They then beat him with sticks, to within an inch of his life. Which "example from the top" was responsible for this action? What of all previous examples of police brutality or overreach? Every one of them is a dot, do you notice a pattern?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:44 AM

Don't lecture me on the illusory nature of human perception. That belongs in the philosophy forum, and I would agree with you.

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards)

OR:

Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are?

Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION.

Give me a fucking break.

Though my thought is definitely flippant, I stand by it. Cut off the guy's access a few times, he'll go home, get his damn card, and remember to bring it...eventually.

Why does society first consider violent recriminations in every single possible situation? Where did we learn this? Obviously it has been recurrent in many societies through the ages, but how does OUR society keep reinforcing this knee-jerk reaction? 3 guesses.

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

OK, what do we know?
Evidently the kid was actually using the computer legally but didn't have his papers in order so they were following procedure when they asked (told) him to leave.
He didn't respond quickly enough for them because he either copped an attitude, was in the middle of a download or was trying to finish a paper due in the morning....... or a combination.

If he copped an attitude, it was because he was an ass or because the campus cops are bullys....likely both...

For what it's worth, when someone in a position of authority tells me to do something, I do it. There's always time later to sort things out.

This is a no-win situation for the cops. If they let this guy be, and he ends up raping, robbing, or hurting someone, then the cops fucked up. If they enforce the rules, and ensure that he leaves, then the cops fucked up.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

For what it's worth, when someone in a position of authority tells me to do something, I do it.

Quote:

By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack...

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

If they enforce the rules...

Which "rules" advocate the tasering of bystanders? The "don't ask for my badge number" rule?

11-17-2006, 09:20 AM	#16
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards) OR: Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are? Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION. Give me a fucking break. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-17-2006, 09:28 AM	#17
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#20
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::quotes every other rock song, ever, as a rebuttal::: __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#21
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, what do we know? Evidently the kid was actually using the computer legally but didn't have his papers in order so they were following procedure when they asked (told) him to leave. He didn't respond quickly enough for them because he either copped an attitude, was in the middle of a download or was trying to finish a paper due in the morning....... or a combination. If he copped an attitude, it was because he was an ass or because the campus cops are bullys....likely both. My personal experience with "enforcement" is the more power the officer has, the less they abuse people. More professional, if you will. The State Police give, nor take, any bullshit, the locals are more prone to being pushy or bullying, and rent-a-cops are complete dicks. The Patriot act doesn't change that, except to add more people with a little power to the mix, like airport/railroad screeners. Giving them tasers just makes their ongoing abuse more visible. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 11-17-2006 at 10:16 AM.

11-17-2006, 10:44 AM	#26
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Don't lecture me on the illusory nature of human perception. That belongs in the philosophy forum, and I would agree with you. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 09:35 AM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	(just gotta get used to it) We all get it in the end (just gotta get used to it) We go down and we come up again (just gotta get used to it) You irritate me my friend This is no social crisis This is you having fun (no crisis) Getting burned by the sun (this is true) This is no social crisis Just another tricky day for you Townshend 1981

11-17-2006, 10:36 AM	#25
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The human brain is built to notice patterns: to connect the dots to form a picture. Sometimes there is a real pattern. Sometimes they are part of a larger pattern. And sometimes there are just dots. If you look for a pattern, you will probably find one. If you are convinced there is a pattern, you will definitely find one. In March 1991, LA cops tasered Rodney King. They then beat him with sticks, to within an inch of his life. Which "example from the top" was responsible for this action? What of all previous examples of police brutality or overreach? Every one of them is a dot, do you notice a pattern?

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