|
Current Events Help understand the world by talking about things happening in it |
View Poll Results: What marks the beginning of a human life? | |||
First genetically unique cell | 8 | 32.00% | |
Birth | 6 | 24.00% | |
Other (explain) | 11 | 44.00% | |
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
07-22-2006, 06:45 PM | #16 |
erika
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: "the high up north"
Posts: 6,127
|
I agree with everyone that said as soon as it can think/survive outside the mother's body.
__________________
not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh |
07-22-2006, 10:14 PM | #17 |
Bioengineer and aspiring lawer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 872
|
Now lets shift the direction slightly. Based on what's been said so far about when a human's life begins, do the rights afforded to people apply to what will become human? The buying and selling of fertilized eggs/fetus's/zygots is a good starting point.
__________________
The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity. |
07-22-2006, 10:20 PM | #18 | |
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
Pretty sad stretch there TW, even for you. I know you like to argue, but you can't do better than that, really? |
|
07-22-2006, 11:51 PM | #19 |
a real smartass
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 1,121
|
When it has learned how to walk and talk.
|
07-22-2006, 11:59 PM | #20 | |
Read? I only know how to write.
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
|
Quote:
Zygote and cancer cells are same - stem cells. Cancer (ie breast cancer, leukemia, etc) is when stem cells have gone astray. Suddenly those stem cells are no longer human life because they replicate faster? Suddenly because they replicate faster, then they are no longer human? Rather silly to somehow claim a zygote so different from other human cells. They are all human life according to those religious definitions. Why does a zygote instead have "god's seal of approval"? Silly emotion. |
|
07-23-2006, 12:05 AM | #21 |
a real smartass
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 1,121
|
|
07-23-2006, 07:02 AM | #22 | |
Radical Centrist
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cottage of Prussia
Posts: 31,423
|
Quote:
|
|
07-23-2006, 07:18 AM | #23 |
still says videotape
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,813
|
I'm pretty much in lock-step with wolf. Don't pretend you're doing something less than you're doing. We can honestly disagree on its morality just don't make me complicit in your choice by having me fund it. Yes, I'll extend this argument to stem cell research.
__________________
If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis |
07-23-2006, 07:28 AM | #24 |
whig
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 5,075
|
I'd say viability & at the same time, I agree with wolf, call a spade a spade. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be perfectly legal. Stem cell research is however a whole different kettle of fish, it's a bunch of goddamn cells for crying out loud.
__________________
Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain |
07-23-2006, 07:42 AM | #25 | |
I think this line's mostly filler.
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: DC
Posts: 13,575
|
Quote:
__________________
_________________ |...............| We live in the nick of times. | Len 17, Wid 3 | |_______________| [pics] |
|
07-23-2006, 08:10 AM | #26 |
Radical Centrist
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cottage of Prussia
Posts: 31,423
|
Roughly two-thirds of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion.
So if we use this new "correct" terminology, there are more babies at the wastewater treatment plant than at the hospital. Huh. Could it be, something about this terminology seems a little emotionally loaded. |
07-23-2006, 08:14 AM | #27 |
erika
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: "the high up north"
Posts: 6,127
|
__________________
not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh |
07-23-2006, 11:45 AM | #28 |
Bioengineer and aspiring lawer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 872
|
It's not whether or not a zygot is a human or just tissue that's the really important issue here. The issue is when that person is concidered human enough to have rights. If a fetus is not human enough to have a right to life then it can also be bought and sold as a commodity, simple logic. You can take it further and say that even though you cannot experiment on humans without consent you can do so with a fetus. Go another step and laws against genetically modifying and cloning humans do not apply before it becomes human. There seems to be a misunderstanding about what is really upsetting people here, it's the issues down the road that are the big problem. And please don't say that even though a fetus isn't human we can be wishy-washy and pretend it is in some cases.
__________________
The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity. |
07-23-2006, 12:47 PM | #29 | |
Lecturer
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 768
|
Quote:
That said, this is an issue because we humans still have sex for pleasure and bonding rather than for just procreation. It's all about technology, the technology that is used to do work for us (no more need for children for their labor) or that which is used to control (inhibit/encourage) our reproduction. We really need more research on male contraception. We men have trouble keeping our dicks in our pants and you women are always allowing them into your vaginas (except in the case of rape); yet the burden of the result (unwanted pregnancy) always seems to be carried by the woman. We all know how reason goes out the window in the throes of sexual passion, so a male contraceptive that would make sperm ineffective until the couple desires a baby would be a good solution; though I can hear Monty Python's "Every Sperm is Sacred" song playing in the background. Let's shift the burden for birth control to the men.
__________________
Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem. |
|
07-23-2006, 12:55 PM | #30 | |
~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,828
|
Quote:
The veto and issue I thought was from harvested eggs frozen and not fertilized ? Are they viable life? I don't think so. I think we can say the same for a chicken egg. We eat them because they are not fertilized. I don't think we would want to if even we suspected they were fertilized even if they looked the same. So do we have some inborn instinct that a fertilized egg is viable.? |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|