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12-27-2009, 10:08 PM | #16 | |
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And the framework sets both global and national long-emission reduction goals along with providing an independent verification process, both of which are new and, IMO, helpful first steps. It also includes short-term financial pledges to help developing nations....and far more from the EU and Japan than the US. But my point was the CLassic's post about "Obama acting as those he could walk in and schmooze and all will be well" was typical partisan bullshit right out of Limbaugh. If he said that Obama did not come away with a strong binding treaty, I would have agreed. Oh...I forgot. Classic is not partisan. Last edited by Redux; 12-27-2009 at 10:25 PM. |
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I think its premature to judge whether Copenhagen was positive or negative. However others who were there and in differing capacities some leaders others not felt that it was a failure.
Fact - 160 nations merely "took note" of the Copenhagen Climate Treaty. Most of them because they felt the political need to do so. They couldn't come out of there with nothing. They needed a showpiece, something no matter how meaningless to say " Look what we did". In reality, it is worth little more than the paper they wasted to place their signatures upon. Most of the countries didn't sign because they realized it was too weak and little more than a political declaration meant to conceal the failure of the conference. Quote:
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The more I read about the world view outside of the US, the more I see that this was nothing short of a failure.
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I always provide the link to the entire article for those who wish to read it..Where's the link? SO most countries didnt like or sign the final accord, which btw, was not a treaty, but a framework for the developed countries....and the hard core singled-minded environmentalists didnt like it. The fact is that the countries that matter...the ones that will be most accountable...did sign the accord. I dont particular care, nor does it matter, if Mauritius or Granada or even Sweden and dozens of other countries didnt sign it. And IMO, your characterization of Obama "acting as though he could walk in and schmooze and all will be well" was Limbaughish and partisan. But you're not partisan. You just knew what Obama was thinking and how he intended to act going into the conference. added: From your first line "I think its premature to judge whether Copenhagen was positive or negative..." To your last line "......the more I see that this was nothing short of a failure." Now that is Classic! Last edited by Redux; 12-28-2009 at 12:33 AM. |
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12-28-2009, 08:21 AM | #19 | |
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I'm not sure what your problem is. All the name calling and personal attacks? Our opinions differ. So what? I have not called you names or any of the other childish attacks as you have. I'm certainly not going to convince you of anything, and apparently the inverse is also true. Agreeing to disagree might be a better, more civil way to go.
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12-28-2009, 12:38 PM | #21 |
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I dont have a problem. I've never denied that I come at most issues from a partisan perspective.
And I also cite non-partisan documents as opposed to partisan opinion columns. You, sir, are the one with the problem, or in denial, if you believe that all of your Democratic/Obama bashing is non-partisan. Or in other words, you, sir, are full of shit! |
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Well one thing is for sure, who ever dreamed up Cap & Trade was full of it.
And the Chinese didn't think much of Obama's plan or the Copenhagen pan handling. Imagine that.
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I'll just go with this link.
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Link Despite widely held expectations that the Copenhagen summit would produce a legally binding treaty, the conference was plagued by negotiating deadlock and the "Copenhagen Accord" is not legally enforceable. Quote:
Yet another non-partisan perspective from someone who was there and its a safe bet, is infinitely more knowledgeable on the topic than any poster here.
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You get an A in cutting and pasting. |
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12-28-2009, 08:20 PM | #26 |
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Yea but can he do Power Point!?!
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Yeh and I'm the one in denial Oh, and Fuck you Merc.
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You guys should stop arguing and be glad China scuttled Copenhagen. I'm going to Walmart to buy some worthless Chinese junk with my worthless American dollars.
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