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MaggieL · 02-13-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Well, I'll give you the cameras thing, but it's debatable that what he was doing could be called "hunting".

Gee, why not just ask PETA what they think? (And while we're at it let's slam streams that are cruelly and brutally stocked with trout, too.)

I do hope you noticed that the press release you cite doesn't actually refer to "what Cheney was doing when the accident happened", but rather to something back in 2003?

Undertoad · 02-13-2006, 08:04 AM

A 78 year old guy got shot! Quick, let's mine the comic potential in it so we can prod the administration. It's not like it's something really serious, like the funeral of a civil rights leader, or something.

Happy Monkey · 02-13-2006, 12:10 PM

I didn't say anything about morals. I eat meat. I just wouldn't say that meat packers are hunting cows or that skeet shooters are hunting skeet. And the differentiation between canned hunts and actual hunting is made by hunters (who look down on canned hunts in paticular) more than activists (who dislike hunting in general).

But I will offer a mea culpa on the date. I pulled the trigger too fast on my post, shall we say.

footfootfoot · 02-13-2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I didn't say anything about morals. I eat meat. I just wouldn't say that meat packers are hunting cows or that skeet shooters are hunting skeet. And the differentiation between canned hunts and actual hunting is made by hunters (who look down on canned hunts in paticular) more than activists (who dislike hunting in general).

But I will offer a mea culpa on the date. I pulled the trigger too fast on my post, shall we say.

ha ha, yes, but when you posted, did you do it with your eyes closed?

I checked the link, despite the date on that story I'd be shocked if this wasn't a stocked hunt. Or mike hunt maybe. sorry.

Trilby · 02-13-2006, 12:47 PM

Spexxvet, made me laugh out loud.

(PS-I always want to make your name SEXpet. Isn't that weird?)

Aliantha · 02-13-2006, 06:21 PM

hahaha Spex. That was a funny one!

footfootfoot · 02-13-2006, 07:51 PM

and another thing: C– You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

BigV · 02-13-2006, 09:37 PM

Dang! Is the movie as funny as the quotes lead one to believe?

wolf · 02-13-2006, 09:50 PM

Moreso.

You MUST see this movie.

Actually, how the heck have you missed seeing it? For the last couple of years it has been run for 24 contiguous hours on either TNT or TBS on Christmas Eve.

The beauty of the 24 hour marathon is that no matter when you flip it on, it's always a good part.

dar512 · 02-14-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Actually, how the heck have you missed seeing it? For the last couple of years it has been run for 24 contiguous hours on either TNT or TBS on Christmas Eve.

Believe it or not, there are households that don't turn on a TV during Christmas.

However, we do have the DVD.

BigV · 02-13-2006, 10:19 PM

Cool, thanks!

On a different note, browsing the Google News (NOW! Out of Beta!) one of the funnier headlines was "Open Season On Cheney". I didn't read that article, but the next two were interesting. How Did Dick Cheney Break the No.1 Rule of Hunting? which contained this excerpt:

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An eyewitness account reported by the Associated Press suggests that Cheney may have, in the heat of the moment, violated the No. 1 rule of hunting by failing to keep track of his hunting buddies at all times.
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Accidents can happen, of course, in a single careless moment. Quail, when you find them and they flush, don’t exactly follow gun-safety rules. They fly up suddenly and may go in any direction. And the first thing that happens to the hunter is the adrenaline rush. That’s why quail hunters wear orange, as Cheney's group reportedly were. And that’s why experts counsel the hunter not to sweep the shotgun around and fire if they don’t know what’s in the line of fire. Knowing what's behind the target is also a rule with which, one can bet, Cheney’s Secret Service detail would have wanted Whittington himself to be intimate.

And then this one, Cheney and shooting victim were hunting illegally, officials say with this quote:

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The other hunters present on Saturday included ranch manager Anne Armstrong; Whittington's wife, Merce; Ambassador Willeford; and her husband, George "Boots" Willeford. Anne Armstrong's two daughters, Katharine Armstrong and Serita Hixon, were there. So was Hixon's husband, Bob.

Whittington shot two birds, which he left to retrieve and put into a truck, Katharine Armstrong said.

As Whittington re-approached the group, he was walking through a low point in the land where they couldn't see him, Ms. Armstrong said.

"The cardinal rule is you stay on line," Katharine Armstrong said.

I am not a hunter. I appeal to the hunters in the audience to educate me. I'm not looking for an indictment of Cheney, he's already done enough for me to make my own decisions. And I understand the responsibility for safety afield is a shared responsibility, not all one and none for the other. But I am looking for some clues here as to how this happened and how / who should have acted differently to avoid it.

BigV · 02-13-2006, 10:22 PM

I have another thought...

What would be the story if everything else was the same, but Whittington shot Cheney? It could have happened... Would there have been a 24 hour delay in the reportage? Would the reaction to the shooter have been the same? It's an interesting thought exercise.

Oh, and if there are only three to a hunting party, where the hell was the Secret Service?

seakdivers · 02-13-2006, 11:12 PM

When I first saw the news about this I couldn't help but think "what the hell?".
I shoot in matches, and hunt as well - I always identify my target before pulling the trigger. I'm sure he used to do the same, but it's looking like he's an elderly man that needs to get his drivers license taken away.
Scary.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-14-2006, 12:40 AM

Why do you feel Cheney should have immediately notified the press?
I don't believe he had any obligation to tell the press at all. I think it's a sad commentary of the state of the press when they expect to be handed stories without any investigating.

I also think that Clinton, when asked about the Ho, should have said it's none of your business. :p

02-14-2006, 01:09 AM

If you are hunting with a companion and that person goes off somewhere, you automatically exercise extra caution when your hunting pal is not within your field of vision. The other thing is that when hunting ANYTHING, you have to look at it and aim to hit it. Now sometimes a hunter makes a lucky shot by aiming at a sound or a sudden movement off in the distance and gets to kill or wound someone. In Colorado we generally attribute such behaviors to Texans. Oh, wait! Never mind...

02-13-2006, 12:10 PM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I didn't say anything about morals. I eat meat. I just wouldn't say that meat packers are hunting cows or that skeet shooters are hunting skeet. And the differentiation between canned hunts and actual hunting is made by hunters (who look down on canned hunts in paticular) more than activists (who dislike hunting in general). But I will offer a mea culpa on the date. I pulled the trigger too fast on my post, shall we say. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-13-2006, 06:21 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	hahaha Spex. That was a funny one! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-13-2006, 07:51 PM	#7
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	and another thing: C– You'll shoot your eye out, kid. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

02-13-2006, 09:37 PM	#8
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Dang! Is the movie as funny as the quotes lead one to believe? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-13-2006, 09:50 PM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Moreso. You MUST see this movie. Actually, how the heck have you missed seeing it? For the last couple of years it has been run for 24 contiguous hours on either TNT or TBS on Christmas Eve. The beauty of the 24 hour marathon is that no matter when you flip it on, it's always a good part. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-13-2006, 08:04 AM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	A 78 year old guy got shot! Quick, let's mine the comic potential in it so we can prod the administration. It's not like it's something really serious, like the funeral of a civil rights leader, or something.

02-13-2006, 12:47 PM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Spexxvet, made me laugh out loud. (PS-I always want to make your name SEXpet. Isn't that weird?)

02-13-2006, 10:22 PM	#12
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I have another thought... What would be the story if everything else was the same, but Whittington shot Cheney? It could have happened... Would there have been a 24 hour delay in the reportage? Would the reaction to the shooter have been the same? It's an interesting thought exercise. Oh, and if there are only three to a hunting party, where the hell was the Secret Service? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-13-2006, 11:12 PM	#13
seakdivers Icy Queen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southeast Alaska Posts: 700	When I first saw the news about this I couldn't help but think "what the hell?". I shoot in matches, and hunt as well - I always identify my target before pulling the trigger. I'm sure he used to do the same, but it's looking like he's an elderly man that needs to get his drivers license taken away. Scary.

02-14-2006, 12:40 AM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Why do you feel Cheney should have immediately notified the press? I don't believe he had any obligation to tell the press at all. I think it's a sad commentary of the state of the press when they expect to be handed stories without any investigating. I also think that Clinton, when asked about the Ho, should have said it's none of your business. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-14-2006, 01:09 AM	#15
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	If you are hunting with a companion and that person goes off somewhere, you automatically exercise extra caution when your hunting pal is not within your field of vision. The other thing is that when hunting ANYTHING, you have to look at it and aim to hit it. Now sometimes a hunter makes a lucky shot by aiming at a sound or a sudden movement off in the distance and gets to kill or wound someone. In Colorado we generally attribute such behaviors to Texans. Oh, wait! Never mind...

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