Veiled threat... - Page 2

Aliantha · 10-23-2006, 07:45 PM

The only reason kids would think the veil etc is scarey is because we (western christians) live in a culture fraught with 'boogeymen' who're usually depicted as black ski mask wearing nasties.

If there weren't so many fairy stories and there was more fact in rearing a child, maybe things like this wouldn't be such an issue.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with children learning about other faiths. This sort of practice breaks down barriers and removes the illusions created by fear mongering grown ups.

jinx · 10-23-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Well, here in Kalifornia, the division/separation of Church and State has been tossed aside to allow a two-week indoctrination of school children to the Muslim faith. They must demonstrate an understanding of jihad, the five pillars of Islam and come to terms with Mohammad's status as a messenger of God.

<groans> Jesus H. Christ

10-23-2006, 08:41 PM

Would a Western woman be allowed to teach a class without wearing a veil in Saudi Arabia?

But back to the question at hand. The woman's big mistake was NOT wearing the veil to the interview. To me, that is hypocrisy and worse. She must have encountered some adult males in the interview process and lived to tell the tale.

In a culture where children are used to seeing women wearing veils, its no biggie. But in a culture where they are not, a veiled teacher is going to seem strange at best; spooky at worst. And yes, I think a veil does interfere with communication, especially for those not used to seeing a woman wearing one.

9th Engineer · 10-24-2006, 09:16 PM

I think you missed the point there Ali, kids probably arn't going to see a veiled woman as scary per se, but they'll probably have big questions as to why they aren't allowed to see their teacher. Education about other cultures is all well and good, but this plainly isn't about education. The bottom line is that if we determine that a veil hinders a womans ability to teach then she can't wear one here. If they think it has no effect in Saudi Arabia then it's fine, but we will decided our own laws for ourselves.

Aliantha · 10-24-2006, 09:21 PM

Well then the point has nothing to do with religion or kids being scared or any of the other points. Only to do with whether she can communicate properly or not.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-24-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

why ask me? I'm not a muslim.

Oh, pardon me. I forgot you don't know what you're talking about.

9th Engineer · 10-25-2006, 07:10 AM

Right, this has nothing to do with islam specifically or really anything besides the fact that the administrators think that it impedes the teaching process. Why complicate it further?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-29-2006, 01:35 AM

Because it wouldn't be much of a news story....no passion, no fury, no terrorists in the woodpile.

10-23-2006, 07:45 PM	#16
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The only reason kids would think the veil etc is scarey is because we (western christians) live in a culture fraught with 'boogeymen' who're usually depicted as black ski mask wearing nasties. If there weren't so many fairy stories and there was more fact in rearing a child, maybe things like this wouldn't be such an issue. I also don't think there's anything wrong with children learning about other faiths. This sort of practice breaks down barriers and removes the illusions created by fear mongering grown ups. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-24-2006, 09:16 PM	#19
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I think you missed the point there Ali, kids probably arn't going to see a veiled woman as scary per se, but they'll probably have big questions as to why they aren't allowed to see their teacher. Education about other cultures is all well and good, but this plainly isn't about education. The bottom line is that if we determine that a veil hinders a womans ability to teach then she can't wear one here. If they think it has no effect in Saudi Arabia then it's fine, but we will decided our own laws for ourselves. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

10-24-2006, 09:21 PM	#20
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well then the point has nothing to do with religion or kids being scared or any of the other points. Only to do with whether she can communicate properly or not. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 07:10 AM	#22
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Right, this has nothing to do with islam specifically or really anything besides the fact that the administrators think that it impedes the teaching process. Why complicate it further? __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

10-29-2006, 01:35 AM	#23
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because it wouldn't be much of a news story....no passion, no fury, no terrorists in the woodpile. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-23-2006, 08:41 PM	#18
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Would a Western woman be allowed to teach a class without wearing a veil in Saudi Arabia? But back to the question at hand. The woman's big mistake was NOT wearing the veil to the interview. To me, that is hypocrisy and worse. She must have encountered some adult males in the interview process and lived to tell the tale. In a culture where children are used to seeing women wearing veils, its no biggie. But in a culture where they are not, a veiled teacher is going to seem strange at best; spooky at worst. And yes, I think a veil does interfere with communication, especially for those not used to seeing a woman wearing one.

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