Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers - Page 2

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 08:53 AM

That does not appear to be a *popular* fable, and so my statement still applies.

Two-bit University cops tase somebody and it's a Patriot Act thing? I guess the LA riots, just miles away from this location, were brought about by Clinton's lack of respect for the law, just like the right claimed.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 09:06 AM

:::slow clap::: Yes, there is a mocking, belittling interpretation for what I'm saying here, IE the easy rebuttal to what I'm not actually saying, and then there is the reality-based interpretation a reasonable adult could form: that authority figures, from the top down, set examples for what is acceptable in society. Does that apply directly in this case - is that a provable, direct cause for this, from point A to point B? No, that's not demonstrable, obviously. But, is this direction in society something to be mocked, something to be ignored, something that doesn't really exist? I guess we'll find out. But, hey, I'm sure it's cool. Let's just not talk about it, because it makes us feel icky. Let's go eat some ice cream.

Happy Monkey · 11-17-2006, 09:06 AM

In this case, university cops are real cops.

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 09:20 AM

Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards)

OR:

Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are?

Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION.

Give me a fucking break.

Elspode · 11-17-2006, 09:28 AM

Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

"No Child Left Unsubdued"

I think that one has more to do with the mandatory druggings of children in public schools, as in THX 1138.

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program?

Brilliant!

Shawnee123 · 11-17-2006, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards)

OR:

Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are?

Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION.

Give me a fucking break.

Though my thought is definitely flippant, I stand by it. Cut off the guy's access a few times, he'll go home, get his damn card, and remember to bring it...eventually.

Why does society first consider violent recriminations in every single possible situation? Where did we learn this? Obviously it has been recurrent in many societies through the ages, but how does OUR society keep reinforcing this knee-jerk reaction? 3 guesses.

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 09:35 AM

(just gotta get used to it)
We all get it in the end
(just gotta get used to it)
We go down and we come up again
(just gotta get used to it)
You irritate me my friend
This is no social crisis
This is you having fun
(no crisis)
Getting burned by the sun
(this is true)
This is no social crisis
Just another tricky day for you

Townshend 1981

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:08 AM

:::quotes every other rock song, ever, as a rebuttal:::

DanaC · 11-17-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number

That bit really blew me away.

Undertoad · 11-17-2006, 10:36 AM

The human brain is built to notice patterns: to connect the dots to form a picture.

Sometimes there is a real pattern. Sometimes they are part of a larger pattern. And sometimes there are just dots.

If you look for a pattern, you will probably find one.

If you are convinced there is a pattern, you will definitely find one.

In March 1991, LA cops tasered Rodney King. They then beat him with sticks, to within an inch of his life. Which "example from the top" was responsible for this action? What of all previous examples of police brutality or overreach? Every one of them is a dot, do you notice a pattern?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:44 AM

Don't lecture me on the illusory nature of human perception. That belongs in the philosophy forum, and I would agree with you.

Spexxvet · 11-17-2006, 11:04 AM

I don't know, do you?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:04 AM

I don't. I don't know the answer to either question.

11-17-2006, 09:06 AM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::slow clap::: Yes, there is a mocking, belittling interpretation for what I'm saying here, IE the easy rebuttal to what I'm not actually saying, and then there is the reality-based interpretation a reasonable adult could form: that authority figures, from the top down, set examples for what is acceptable in society. Does that apply directly in this case - is that a provable, direct cause for this, from point A to point B? No, that's not demonstrable, obviously. But, is this direction in society something to be mocked, something to be ignored, something that doesn't really exist? I guess we'll find out. But, hey, I'm sure it's cool. Let's just not talk about it, because it makes us feel icky. Let's go eat some ice cream. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 09:06 AM	#3
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	In this case, university cops are real cops. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-17-2006, 09:20 AM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Let's see..have someone from IT disable that particular computer (and if the University doesn't have the capability to do so they don't need to be in the business...and every single computer Mister Snottypants tries to log onto afterwards) OR: Let's be all coppy and dramatic and tough and make a huge newsmaking scene, taser the guy, and look like the big he-men or she-ra cops we think we are? Oh, let's make a show! WE MUST SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE USING LIBRARY COMPUTERS. WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. WE MUST STAY THE COURSE. WE NEED TOUGH LEGISLATION. Give me a fucking break. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-17-2006, 09:28 AM	#5
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Are we pretty sure this wasn't a demonstration to publicize the new "No Child Left Unsubdued" program? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-17-2006, 10:08 AM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::quotes every other rock song, ever, as a rebuttal::: __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 08:53 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That does not appear to be a popular fable, and so my statement still applies. Two-bit University cops tase somebody and it's a Patriot Act thing? I guess the LA riots, just miles away from this location, were brought about by Clinton's lack of respect for the law, just like the right claimed.

11-17-2006, 09:35 AM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	(just gotta get used to it) We all get it in the end (just gotta get used to it) We go down and we come up again (just gotta get used to it) You irritate me my friend This is no social crisis This is you having fun (no crisis) Getting burned by the sun (this is true) This is no social crisis Just another tricky day for you Townshend 1981

11-17-2006, 10:36 AM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The human brain is built to notice patterns: to connect the dots to form a picture. Sometimes there is a real pattern. Sometimes they are part of a larger pattern. And sometimes there are just dots. If you look for a pattern, you will probably find one. If you are convinced there is a pattern, you will definitely find one. In March 1991, LA cops tasered Rodney King. They then beat him with sticks, to within an inch of his life. Which "example from the top" was responsible for this action? What of all previous examples of police brutality or overreach? Every one of them is a dot, do you notice a pattern?

11-17-2006, 10:44 AM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Don't lecture me on the illusory nature of human perception. That belongs in the philosophy forum, and I would agree with you. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 11:04 AM	#14
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	I don't know, do you? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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