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Old 11-27-2006, 12:44 PM   #16
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As in "it is illegal to fire someone for this reason" official.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:53 PM   #17
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I don't think that's true in most places. Can you show me that it's more than your company's policy?
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:18 PM   #18
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This from Pink News does seem to support the fact that it is illegal to fire someone based solely on their sexual orientation (emphasis mine):

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The Governor of Colorado has been called “out of step” with his State after rejecting a law which would have prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Bill Owens vetoed the legislation for the second time claiming it would see an increase in lawsuits against local businesses and "had the potential to be costly for Colorado businesses due to an expansion of their tort liability.”

He claimed that there is already a current law which protects employees from being sacked for their actions outside of work.

Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese said: “Governor Owens’ veto is out of step with the voters and businesses in Colorado.

“Fears that this legislation would cause some onslaught of lawsuits can easily be assuaged by simply reading the bill. If an employee feels they’ve been wrongly discriminated against, they go through a step-by-step administrative procedure that rarely makes its way to court. These claims would be no different. Governor Owens is making excuses that don’t hold water.”

Seventeen states and Washington, DC, have laws that prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, and seven prohibit gender identity-based discrimination, including Colorado neighbour New Mexico.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:22 PM   #19
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Seventeen states and Washington, DC, have laws that prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation,
17 out of 50 states does not support 9th's blanket statement:

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It's a media grab, sexual preference is already on the list of official 'no-no's when it comes to firing people or passing them over
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:26 PM   #20
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Hmmmrrr... so it's "A Day Without A Gay?"
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:30 PM   #21
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lol...now that's funny UG.
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Old 11-30-2006, 04:51 AM   #22
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I have recently been told, that this whole Gay's on strike is a mini series or some such thing.
Having run a business in a "Gay" town for several years I have a queer understanding of Gay issues, and causes. I have hosted AID's awareness fundraisers in my home. At one time in an effort to impose affirmative action in the city, the city's human rights office decreed that all businesses with more than 6 employees had to prove that 38% of your payroll was admittedly Gay. Fortunately the Mayor a Gay man intervened and blocked this bit of sillyness.
Living in this California Art Colony in the '80s, was an education I appreciate more everyday. I am now familiar with more art and culture, than I would have been if I had lived in say, Pensiltucky.
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Old 11-30-2006, 05:09 AM   #23
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Hey now, watch those Pensiltucky cracks. We've got queers too.... they just marry their brothers here.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:58 AM   #24
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If I was having my house redone on a tight schedule (to be stereotypical, but some good friends of mine redo homes, not just decorators) and they did not work on the 11th for this reason, it would piss me off... just piss me off, nothing more.

It is poorly thought out, if true.

Being gay does not make someone special in the workplace, it does not set them apart in any way... in no way does it affect their work. It does not make someone a better or worse engineer, logger or hairdresser.
Unless, of course, they don't show up.
If they think this will make that point... it will not. Those that know this already do, those that think differently, will continue to do so because they will always see different as "different" and no amount of noise will change that until they meet someone that changes their mind in person.

I do think it is a miniseries, though.

I too worked for a, predominantly, gay owned/run business. They hired me because they thought I was gay. Happened a lot to me in LA. They were pissed when they found out I was married, until they go used to my work.
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Old 11-30-2006, 11:18 AM   #25
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So they hired you on an assumption of your sexual orientation and then got angry when it wasn't what they expected, nice. Speaks loads about the company, although at least they decided they were willing to keep you around since you did good work for them.
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:11 PM   #26
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The "they" was only two people out of the whole company. It lasted all of a couple of days. It was not an issue.
They tried to foster an environment where gays were welcome and could work with no discrimination and comfort. They never implied that they would not have hired me, but felt that I was gay due to our discussions about my interests.
They felt that I discussed them because I knew about the company's history and discussed those things intentionally to give that impression.
I did not, I was just answering an ad about a company in a town I had only been in for a few weeks.
It was a misunderstanding.
But you go ahead and jump on it like that... lol...
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:38 PM   #27
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The artiest "California Art Colony" I know about around here is Ojai. The biggest art market up the road from here is probably Santa Barbara, next county over.

Now over in the big town, you'll get all kinds of pockets of all kinds of stuff. Had I a shop where I live, perhaps I'd be doing something that would qualify as artistic: trying to make well-shaped suits of armor, which is at bottom a combination of sculpture (by hammering, though, not casting) and ergonomics. For the present, I am a mere student of this endeavor -- and my efforts at increasing my understanding and helping others to that may be found at The Armour Archive.
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Old 11-30-2006, 03:44 PM   #28
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:58 AM   #29
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Being gay does not make someone special in the workplace, it does not set them apart in any way... in no way does it affect their work. It does not make someone a better or worse engineer, logger or hairdresser.
Unless, of course, they don't show up.
If they think this will make that point... it will not. Those that know this already do, those that think differently, will continue to do so because they will always see different as "different" and no amount of noise will change that until they meet someone that changes their mind in person.

I do think it is a miniseries, though.
Actually, the gays on strike plot was a TV movie with John Stamos. "Tales of the City" was a gay themed miniseries. As for affecting their work, tell it to the President. Under "don't ask, don't tell" the presumption is that openly gay soldiers cannot serve, not necessarily because they are poorer soldiers, but because US forces cannot maintain effective discipline to prevent some loss of unit cohesion.

Marriage aside, gays are legally discriminated against in issues such as foster care and adoption, regardless of what is in the best interests of the children. Up until a few years ago, sodomy in the privacy of ones home was illegal in any number of states.

So if gay men and women feel that someone is out to get them, they're probably right.
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Old 01-07-2007, 01:42 PM   #30
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/non sequitur/

When I saw this thread title, I heard the song GIRLS ON FILM in my head

/end non sequitur/

/start worrying RE: mental health/
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