UK's most recent serial killer - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 12-18-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

have you been out on a Saturday night recently? a few drinks, a bite to eat, a taxi home ... cheaper than paying a prostitute but no less worthy of a judgemental statement.
there are many, many reasons for women (and men) to turn to prostitution. there's a story behind every woman's decision (not always a choice) to enter into this "profession". the least society could do is everything possible to protect them.

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Originally Posted by DanaC

What relevance is that?

We should have gone with the 'safe-zone' idea. It was shelved to avoid adverse publicity. Girls who work that trade are no less deserving of consideration and protection than anybody else. If a mine caves in and kills a bunch of miners, we do not wag our collective finger and say, yes but what other kind of men would steal off underground and put themselves in danger.

Whoa, back the fuck up. What the hell are you two babbling about?
Jay suggested the killer might be targeting prostitutes because he's a moral vigilante. I countered with, that's the most likely group to go off to a secluded place with a stranger. That makes them the easiest target
Who's being judgmental, not me.

JayMcGee · 12-17-2006, 08:35 PM

ok.

some ground rules.

the UK is not, by & large, an armed society. Nor, in general, do we wish to be.

and Suffolk is not DC.

Take your 'guns are glorious' thoughts elsewere.... this is not the right thread for that discusion.

Beestie · 12-17-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

Ah, I see where you're coming from, clodfobble (btw,just when are we going to get that ass picture?).....

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

ok. some ground rules. Take your 'guns are glorious' thoughts elsewere.... this is not the right thread for that discusion.

If staying on point is your point then I recommend leaving CF's ass out of it.

Aliantha · 12-17-2006, 10:30 PM

I'm afraid I have to agree with Jay on this one. Aren't there plenty of other threads where people can discuss gun laws?

Undertoad · 12-17-2006, 11:10 PM

No, it seems all the other threads have Aussies and Brits ragging on Americans for being gun-happy.

JayMcGee · 12-18-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

No, it seems all the other threads have Aussies and Brits ragging on Americans for being gun-happy.

mmmm.... One the one hand, it does cast our serial killers in a better light, in that without the ready access to fire-arms, they have to work harder to co-erce/cajole the victims into the life-threatening situation. And then of course there's the method of despatch itself... without fire-arms, one has to be much more inventive. Strike one more for the Brits (and Aussies). I guess that the readily and widespread availablity of guns in the US has, to a large extent, removed the elegance and originality from homicide as it is practised in the USA.

12-19-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

mmmm.... One the one hand, it does cast our serial killers in a better light, in that without the ready access to fire-arms, they have to work harder to co-erce/cajole the victims into the life-threatening situation. And then of course there's the method of despatch itself... without fire-arms, one has to be much more inventive. Strike one more for the Brits (and Aussies). I guess that the readily and widespread availablity of guns in the US has, to a large extent, removed the elegance and originality from homicide as it is practised in the USA.

He was a cop, he could have gotten an fire-arm if he chose to. Most serial killers in the US don't use them. I can only think of one that used them to get their victims to cooperate. They don't like them... not "personal" enough.
Trying to make this a gun discussion won't work.
They don't use them. If anything it would show that an armed populace would be better served to protect themselves.
However, I just don't see why it is really relevant to this discussion. The laws are the way they are and the poor people are dead and we need to focus on that.
More, openly, legalized prostitution with safer access for them and safer places to practice their jobs would help with this immensely.
We must remove our puritanical ideas from sex, it is a sickness that is killing people like this, with abuse and STDs every day all over the world.

Shawnee123 · 12-19-2006, 11:57 AM

They've arrested a second suspect:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16277149/

Aliantha · 12-17-2006, 11:17 PM

It's not just australians and brits UT. Some of your countrymen feel the same way.

In any case, the point here is that what has happened to these women has been shocking.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-18-2006, 01:02 AM

I am afraid Jay does not have the right of it. One prostitute with one pistol and one or more well placed bullets -- that ends the threat to their lives, does it not? Armed self defense is as natural a right as unarmed self defense would be, and one that Parliament tyrannously tore away from you, and which you are going to have to wrest back, and permanently, if you desire to live in a free society and not A Clockwork Orange.

12-18-2006, 02:11 AM

A counter-argument possibly being found in a movie quote ...

"If God didn't want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep."

12-18-2006, 02:42 AM

*Loving and healing energy goes out to all whom suffer through this time and who have lost loved ones*

DanaC · 12-18-2006, 04:29 PM

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Maybe, but what other group of women will steal off to a secluded place with a stranger, willingly?

What relevance is that?

We should have gone with the 'safe-zone' idea. It was shelved to avoid adverse publicity. Girls who work that trade are no less deserving of consideration and protection than anybody else. If a mine caves in and kills a bunch of miners, we do not wag our collective finger and say, yes but what other kind of men would steal off underground and put themselves in danger.

Elspode · 12-18-2006, 04:35 PM

News reports here say that the police have a suspect in custody, a grocery store worker who lives on the edge of town.

What's the latest on this? Have they beaten a confession out of him yet?

Phil · 12-18-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

News reports here say that the police have a suspect in custody, a grocery store worker who lives on the edge of town.

What's the latest on this? Have they beaten a confession out of him yet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm

hopefully the perpetrator and not a convenient scape goat. its too early to know, and i really hope the media hype is not going to jepardise (sp?) what should be a fair and thorough trial.

12-17-2006, 08:35 PM	#2
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	ok. some ground rules. the UK is not, by & large, an armed society. Nor, in general, do we wish to be. and Suffolk is not DC. Take your 'guns are glorious' thoughts elsewere.... this is not the right thread for that discusion. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

12-17-2006, 10:30 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm afraid I have to agree with Jay on this one. Aren't there plenty of other threads where people can discuss gun laws? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-19-2006, 11:57 AM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	They've arrested a second suspect: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16277149/ __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-17-2006, 11:17 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's not just australians and brits UT. Some of your countrymen feel the same way. In any case, the point here is that what has happened to these women has been shocking. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-18-2006, 01:02 AM	#10
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I am afraid Jay does not have the right of it. One prostitute with one pistol and one or more well placed bullets -- that ends the threat to their lives, does it not? Armed self defense is as natural a right as unarmed self defense would be, and one that Parliament tyrannously tore away from you, and which you are going to have to wrest back, and permanently, if you desire to live in a free society and not A Clockwork Orange. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-17-2006, 11:10 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No, it seems all the other threads have Aussies and Brits ragging on Americans for being gun-happy.

12-18-2006, 02:11 AM	#11
NoBoxes Guest Posts: n/a	A counter-argument possibly being found in a movie quote ... "If God didn't want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep." Last edited by NoBoxes; 12-18-2006 at 02:44 AM.

12-18-2006, 02:42 AM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Loving and healing energy goes out to all whom suffer through this time and who have lost loved ones

12-18-2006, 04:35 PM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	News reports here say that the police have a suspect in custody, a grocery store worker who lives on the edge of town. What's the latest on this? Have they beaten a confession out of him yet? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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