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xoxoxoBruce · 03-03-2007, 12:43 AM

I still don't get it?

UT, do you think those ads would generate more income on the main pages than the archives? I know you'd like to avoid that, but I'm curious?

If you could get paid for the spider crawls, you'd be in clover. I can't believe how much resources they chew up.

Undertoad · 03-03-2007, 06:22 AM

There will never be ads on the main pages!! NEVAR!!!

For registered users that is.

No I don't see it... even for unregistered visitors... I don't think they pay enough to justify it, for one thing. I see a lot of technical forums doing that, but this is a different sort of place, no?

Elspode · 03-03-2007, 08:51 AM

UT...is there some way that you can provide feedback to us, the users, on income vs operating expense for The Cellar? Without actually quoting the dollars, obviously. Perhaps a bar scale with one axis representing the income from the tip jar and archive ads, and the other showing expense?

I'm trying to think of a way to stimulate people's thinking about helping to pay for this resource we all use and rely on. I know that, for myself, I never seem to think about the tip jar unless someone mentions it. Normally, I know this is a labor of love and part of your life, but goddamn it, you're unemployed, and it behooves us to help.

Just dialoguing here, man. Runnin' it up the flagpole to see who salutes. And other corporate jargon.

Undertoad · 03-03-2007, 09:02 AM

It is way overdue.

The colocation/bandwidth costs are about $200/month; the server was about $1200 and I think it will last about two years, so I would amortize it at $50/month; there are other costs like having to drive to Wilmington, which probably add up to $15/month. I do next to no accounting for all this but I think tippers and the text ads do get close to covering it. A bar chart would put it all out there but of course then I would have to write a script to operate it and make new entries with each donation. Not that it wouldn't be a labor of love and not that I don't have anything better to do.

Elspode · 03-03-2007, 10:51 AM

Perhaps you can make some sort of script that would harvest the funding data from the PayPal email and then automatically update the income bar? The all you'd have to do is update the monthly operating expense so that we'd have a realtime comparison, hopefully encouraging tipping to make the bars match, or - even better - the income bar beat out the costs bar.

Undertoad · 03-03-2007, 11:22 AM

S'possible

If the amount goes over I would be forced to do something productive with it. What, I have no idea. In the olden days, I actually advertised, but we're kinda past that now IMO.

zippyt · 03-03-2007, 11:28 AM

If the amount goes over I would be forced to do something productive with it.

Like buy a good bottle of scotch ???

Just kidding dude , I think the bar graph thingee is a good idea ,
I With ALL the lurkers and folks that actualy participate , you might be suprized at how much could be raised .

skysidhe · 03-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

I'm trying to think of a way to stimulate people's thinking about helping to pay for this resource we all use and rely on. I know that, for myself, I never seem to think about the tip jar unless someone mentions it. Normally, I know this is a labor of love and part of your life, but goddamn it, you're unemployed, and it behooves us to help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I luv you ppl don't cha know that?

no, I didn't know that nor do I feel it either thanks to one person so I'll be holding on to my $$$.

I would contribute otherwise. Sorry.

zippyt · 03-03-2007, 11:51 AM

just put him on your ignore list and get on with your life !!!

skysidhe · 03-03-2007, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyt

just put him on your ignore list and get on with your life !!!

I did!

I'm sorry,
I'm just saying there might be alot of rich women out there not logged in as yet! It would behoove us that they feel safe to do so.

zippyt · 03-03-2007, 12:11 PM

Then what do you suggest ??

xoxoxoBruce · 03-03-2007, 02:23 PM

skysidhe, what the fuck are you talking about?
What do you mean by "feel safe to do so"?
You are condemning UT and the Cellar, making accusations about the safety of women logged in here, saying you would have contributed except for another member...... yet you yourself come back here regularly.

That doesn't make sense and is pretty serious slander of the Cellar.
But being a reasonable man, I'll ask you to explain what you're talking about, rather than ripping your throat out immediately.

Elspode · 03-03-2007, 03:54 PM

I'm a little befuddled by that as well. Flames and other drivel are sort of par for the Internet course. That being said, this isn't really a place where people are allowed to be threatening, as far as I've ever been able to observe.

If you mean that someone here is being irritating, well...yeah. Sure. But does that make The Cellar unsafe for women?

Undertoad · 03-04-2007, 10:09 AM

I never understand posts from Sky. That is her own personal charm, she's the place's crazy broad.

If people don't trust me, they should not donate, and that's fine. If they don't donate because they don't trust other Dwellars, that's like shoplifting from a store because you don't like the customers.

lumberjim · 03-04-2007, 11:41 AM

who is she talking about?

03-03-2007, 12:43 AM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I still don't get it? UT, do you think those ads would generate more income on the main pages than the archives? I know you'd like to avoid that, but I'm curious? If you could get paid for the spider crawls, you'd be in clover. I can't believe how much resources they chew up. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-03-2007, 08:51 AM	#18
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	UT...is there some way that you can provide feedback to us, the users, on income vs operating expense for The Cellar? Without actually quoting the dollars, obviously. Perhaps a bar scale with one axis representing the income from the tip jar and archive ads, and the other showing expense? I'm trying to think of a way to stimulate people's thinking about helping to pay for this resource we all use and rely on. I know that, for myself, I never seem to think about the tip jar unless someone mentions it. Normally, I know this is a labor of love and part of your life, but goddamn it, you're unemployed, and it behooves us to help. Just dialoguing here, man. Runnin' it up the flagpole to see who salutes. And other corporate jargon. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

03-03-2007, 10:51 AM	#20
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Perhaps you can make some sort of script that would harvest the funding data from the PayPal email and then automatically update the income bar? The all you'd have to do is update the monthly operating expense so that we'd have a realtime comparison, hopefully encouraging tipping to make the bars match, or - even better - the income bar beat out the costs bar. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

03-03-2007, 11:28 AM	#22
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	If the amount goes over I would be forced to do something productive with it. Like buy a good bottle of scotch ??? Just kidding dude , I think the bar graph thingee is a good idea , I With ALL the lurkers and folks that actualy participate , you might be suprized at how much could be raised . __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

03-03-2007, 11:51 AM	#24
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	just put him on your ignore list and get on with your life !!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

03-03-2007, 06:22 AM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There will never be ads on the main pages!! NEVAR!!! For registered users that is. No I don't see it... even for unregistered visitors... I don't think they pay enough to justify it, for one thing. I see a lot of technical forums doing that, but this is a different sort of place, no?

03-03-2007, 09:02 AM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It is way overdue. The colocation/bandwidth costs are about $200/month; the server was about $1200 and I think it will last about two years, so I would amortize it at $50/month; there are other costs like having to drive to Wilmington, which probably add up to $15/month. I do next to no accounting for all this but I think tippers and the text ads do get close to covering it. A bar chart would put it all out there but of course then I would have to write a script to operate it and make new entries with each donation. Not that it wouldn't be a labor of love and not that I don't have anything better to do.

03-03-2007, 11:22 AM	#21
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	S'possible If the amount goes over I would be forced to do something productive with it. What, I have no idea. In the olden days, I actually advertised, but we're kinda past that now IMO.

03-03-2007, 12:11 PM	#26
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Then what do you suggest ?? __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

03-03-2007, 02:23 PM	#27
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	skysidhe, what the fuck are you talking about? What do you mean by "feel safe to do so"? You are condemning UT and the Cellar, making accusations about the safety of women logged in here, saying you would have contributed except for another member...... yet you yourself come back here regularly. That doesn't make sense and is pretty serious slander of the Cellar. But being a reasonable man, I'll ask you to explain what you're talking about, rather than ripping your throat out immediately. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-03-2007, 03:54 PM	#28
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'm a little befuddled by that as well. Flames and other drivel are sort of par for the Internet course. That being said, this isn't really a place where people are allowed to be threatening, as far as I've ever been able to observe. If you mean that someone here is being irritating, well...yeah. Sure. But does that make The Cellar unsafe for women? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

03-04-2007, 10:09 AM	#29
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I never understand posts from Sky. That is her own personal charm, she's the place's crazy broad. If people don't trust me, they should not donate, and that's fine. If they don't donate because they don't trust other Dwellars, that's like shoplifting from a store because you don't like the customers.

03-04-2007, 11:41 AM	#30
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	who is she talking about? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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