The impending Veto

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Isn't this a comparable situation to the Clinton Impeachment? Everybody new that there wouldn't be enough votes to impeach, but the repubicans just kept pushing it through.

Sure I guess. Everybody is going to try to spin it to their advantage.

[piercehawkeye45]

Tw is not a conspiracy theorist.

Tw says nothing about NWO, 9/11 as a set up, NAU, or whatever else they think of. Tw is pointing out a big personality flaw about Bush that is killing many Americans along with Iraqis while breaking ties with many of our former allies.

[Spaceman3750]

OK, for those who say that Bush doesn't support our troops:

By vetoing the war spending plan, he is finishing what he started. You know how your mommy always told you to clean up your mess? And to always keep your promises? For once, someone is listening to what their mommy told them.

Bush is 1) not backing out when the going gets rough, and cleaning up for the mess we made over there, and 2) keeping his promise to the Iraqis, the American public, and the world when he said that we were waging a war on terror and that we would eliminate our target.

The Democrats in congress are setting Iraq up to become another Vietnam. They are trying to legislate the rules of engagement, and then trying to force our troops out before the job is done. My history teacher has a saying: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

BTW - Mercenary, didn't you steal that one guy's air conditioner in Kosovo?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Spaceman3750

By vetoing the war spending plan, he is finishing what he started. You know how your mommy always told you to clean up your mess?

Bush wants to leave this mess for the next President to clean up.

...waging a war on terror and that we would eliminate our target.

What on Earth does that mean? We're stuck in Iraq until "terror" is eliminated?

They are trying to legislate the rules of engagement,

Example?

and then trying to force our troops out before the job is done.

Please define what it means for the job to be done.

[duck_duck]

Americans need to quit playing around and decide the direction of America and not worry about who out maneuvers who.

Just an opinion.

[Perry Winkle]

God help me; I agree with tw and like what he's saying. I think I need to get a brain scan, or a lobotomy. I can't decide which.

[tw]

Originally Posted by grant

God help me; I agree with tw and like what he's saying.

What I was posting four years ago is still these same questions today. Why opposition then and agreement now?

My point as it was posted four years ago remains in three simple questions that every war monger in the Cellar has refused to answer. TheMercenary also avoids three questions that would expose his political agenda.

What is the smoking gun that justifies "Mission Accomplished"?

What is the strategic objective?

What is the exit strategy defined by that strategic objective?

What does the American solider need? Three simple answers that lover of George Jr (also called anti-Americans) would not provide.

TheMercenary will never answer those questions because he cannot and never could. His blind support for George Jr is not based in logic or a simple grasp of military science. That's what makes 'big dic' thinking so dangerous. They automatically know - just don't know why. His conclusions are based what a patriotic American does to support the troops. So TheMercenary pretends those questions do not exist.

[piercehawkeye45]

I never got the "war on terror" saying anyways.

Sounds like the "war on drugs", just a catch phrase that has no meaning behind it.

[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I never got the "war on terror" saying anyways.

Sounds like the "war on drugs", just a catch phrase that has no meaning behind it.

Yeah, both wars are futile and never-ending.

Drugs are bad, terrorism is bad, wars are bad: bad at least enough of the time that avoiding them all the time is a pretty good idea.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I never got the "war on terror" saying anyways.

Sounds like the "war on drugs", just a catch phrase that has no meaning behind it.

The catch phrase is GEE-WATT or GWOT. It has much meaning. It means that where ever you are, we reserve the right to come and kick your ass and put you in prison forever. Pretty clear if I do say so myself.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The catch phrase is GEE-WATT or GWOT. It has much meaning. It means that where ever you are, we reserve the right to come and kick your ass and put you in prison forever. Pretty clear if I do say so myself.

Usually it just means you are Arab or Muslim whether or not you are a terrorists or not.

[BigV]

So clear, and yet you're mystified at the disappearance of the goodwill the United States used to enjoy, having been recklessly squandered by this administration. : puzzled :

[elSicomoro]

Ah...I remember back in the day when the US had goodwill with most of the world...it seems so long ago...

[tw]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Ah...I remember back in the day when the US had goodwill with most of the world...it seems so long ago...

Governments are now unstable where association to George Jr is accused. Yushenko's government in Ukraine is under attack, in part, due to connections to and support from George Jr.

From The Economist of 28 April 2007:
Ayman Nour, runner-up to Hosni Mubarak in Egypt's last presidental election (in 2005), in prison under trumped-up charges - just to show it can fend off American scolding.

Islamic fundamentalism is growing rapidly in all Arab nations due to a crusade mentality created by George Jr, Cheney, and the other wacko extremists.

Even Turkey, once one of America's strongest supporters throughout the world, is rapidly promoting Islamic fundamentalism. Hate even for what America did to Turkish soldiers and shown in a highest grossing movie in Turkey:
Valley of the Wolves Iraq

Islamic fundamentalism and a new contempt for secularism is how young Muslims now openly advocate their distaste for George Jr's religious crusade against them. Even in Syria, a budding human-rights movement has been quashed with a five year prison sentence for that nation's best known human rights advocate.

It does not stop there. America is now increasingly unpopular in most South American nations. Curious. That also happened when Nixon was a Vice President on a trip to South America.

In Somalia, an insurgency mostly composed of the Hawiye people and other nationalists has been rebranded by an extremist American government as Al Qaeda. Again, The Economist

There may be a few hundred jihadist fighter and perhaps a dozen or so who can properly be classified as al-Qaeda. But the government's failure to make concessions to the Hawiye raises al-Qaeda's hope that Somalia may become a hub of instability and a new front in a holy war against Ethiopia- and the west. ... Ferocious fighting between clans has broken out in Kismayo, a southern post.

Get what you wish for. An Islamic government rebranded by our extremist government as Al Qaeda; then Al Qaeda will easily find recruits again evil Americans.

The world's sixth largest oil exporter in the world - Africa's biggest nation by population - is even becoming unglued as corruption has clearly perverted presidential elections. Those who live and profit by such corruption are considered America's friends since America so condones and participates in the corruption at the highest levels of government. In southern Nigeria, distinguishing between government, gangsters, and insurgents is said to be almost impossible because lawlessness and violence is most often in the oil rich areas. Where are which foreigners?

Nations where Americans were once so welcomed are now even becoming dangerous for Americans. There is only one reason why democracy, once so popular during and after Clinton, is now suffering setbacks. Why would anyone in the world do what George Jr advocates? The man only promotes opposition to democratic principles based upon his 'Crusade' mentality. Democratic reforms in Iran are being rolled back. Democracy in Iraq is failing as Maliki is losing support.

It’s not just America that is becoming less popular. Now the principles that America advocates are also becoming unpopular - in some places despised.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Turkey, once one of America's strongest supporters throughout the world, is rapidly promoting Islamic fundamentalism. Hate even for what America did to Turkish soldiers and shown in a highest grossing movie in Turkey:
Valley of the Wolves Iraq

1) You missed the not one but two separate million+ Turk marches against fundamentalism that took place over the last three weeks, one in Ankara, one in Istanbul.

The peaceful rally delivered many messages to the Islamist leaders of AKP, such as "Turkey is laic [secular] and will stay laic"; "NO Mullahs, no imams and no Gul in Cankaya"; "Cankaya is closed to Shari'a"; "We are all Mustafa Kemal's soldiers"; "Come Tayyip[Erdogan] and see us - come and count us".

2) That film is fictional, asshole!

It’s not just America that is becoming less popular. Now the principles that America advocates are also becoming unpopular - in some places despised.

Let them take up unproductive ways, such as nationalizing every critical industry in the country. That way they can fail on their own.