Men Abortion and Choice - Page 2

binky · 09-08-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Having an abortion is not being unaccountable for your actions. Having an abortion is a scary thing that some women choose to do for their own reasons. You want to be allowed to have a say over what happens to any foetus springing from your sperm, don't put it inside a woman who hasn't said she wants your baby.

EXACTLY!!

9th Engineer · 09-08-2007, 01:13 PM

More and more I've been switching to the mindset that we should be teaching kids the virtues of abortion from a very young age. Abortion is about keeping unplanned pregnancies down, right? I'm envisioning a system where 7-8yo boys and girls are taught that it's very good thing to have an abortion, good or better then having a kid. Daemonize people who selfishly force others to care for their kids. Lots of indoctrinating necessary, but hey, not like that's been a problem until now. Sounds like something you could write a book about...
It'd be every uber-liberal's dream come true from what I've learned, and I wouldn't have to pay for some little snot's daycare. Win-win.

Abortions are scary? Never heard that crop up in health-ed.

bluecuracao · 09-09-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Abortions are scary? Never heard that crop up in health-ed.

Are you saying you don't believe it, because they didn't tell you that in health-ed? Or do you mean that health-ed is lacking, because they don't tell the whole story?

9th Engineer · 09-09-2007, 02:34 PM

I'm saying that health-ed failed to insert that little detail into the curriculum, I'll never be able to say if it's scary or not though.:p Scary is also kind of a personal assessment, most likely some women find it scary, others don't.

Spexxvet · 09-10-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

More and more I've been switching to the mindset that we should be teaching kids the virtues of abortion from a very young age. Abortion is about keeping unplanned pregnancies down, right? I'm envisioning a system where 7-8yo boys and girls are taught that it's very good thing to have an abortion, good or better then having a kid. Daemonize people who selfishly force others to care for their kids. Lots of indoctrinating necessary, but hey, not like that's been a problem until now. Sounds like something you could write a book about...
It'd be every uber-liberal's dream come true from what I've learned, and I wouldn't have to pay for some little snot's daycare. Win-win.

Abortions are scary? Never heard that crop up in health-ed.

My take: the unfortunate thing is that, TYPICALLY, the people who want to prevent a woman from making her own choice are the same people who don't want their kids to learn how to prevent unwanted pregnancy in school. Yet they also don't teach them, themselves.

So what you have is kids who want to have sex, don't know how to prevent pregnancy, yet you don't want them to be able fix the problem after the fact, then they are ostracized for getting pregnant or having a child out of wedlock (bad girl), or they get into a marriage that nobody really wanted, often ending up a divorced, single parent. Seems like they get screwed all the way around.

DanaC · 08-07-2007, 07:03 PM

That's right and sometimes the consequences of that act are not pleaasant. A woman having an abortion is facing up to the consequences of her actions.

Also, men and women have sex for a myriad of reasons. It's one of the most basic human drives we have. When a man chooses to have sex he risks losing control of his sperm, a woman risks being impregnated when she doesnt want to be. Both risk sexually transmitted disease given that condoms can break. Sex is risky.

Bullitt · 08-07-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

That's right and sometimes the consequences of that act are not pleaasant. A woman having an abortion is facing up to the consequences of her actions.
. . . Sex is risky.

Well I guess that's where we differ. My idea of owning up is having the baby, yours is doing exclusively what is in the best interest of the mother.

freshnesschronic · 08-07-2007, 07:31 PM

And now for the opinion that no one really wants to here on this issue:

I think men should get out of any legislation, court or anything that has to deal with abortion. It's actually confusing to me how men can be pro-life, IMO. Personally, I feel that's all up to her. A man ("as much as it is his") shouldn't be able to overlord something that is happening to a woman's body. She can and has all the right to do whatever she wants to do and a man can only and should only act accordingly.

The Chris Rock joke goes like this: "When she comes from outta the bathroom an' she got that "shit it happened" look on her face you got two options. You can say "Oh, I'm so happy, I will be a great father and am really looking forward to our baby!" or you can look at her like a deer in headlights an' say "....so whachu gonna do?"

Stormieweather · 08-07-2007, 07:40 PM

So if men get the right to force a woman to take a pregnancy to term if he DOES want to be a father, should he also get the right to force her to terminate the pregnancy if he DOES NOT want to be a father? If not, how can you possibly advocate one without the other? If so, doesn't that give men full control over the reproductive function of a woman's body?

Just asking....

Stormie

DanaC · 08-07-2007, 07:41 PM

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Well I guess that's where we differ. My idea of owning up is having the baby, yours is doing exclusively what is in the best interest of the mother.

Sometimes it's the right decision to make. I can hardly imagine it is an easy one. Making a decision like that is, like it or not, dealing with the consequences of her actions in a very immediate, and difficult to handle, way. This isn't about 'owning up', in my view. To me, the woman is making a choice about her body. The foetus is part of her body.

lumberjim · 08-07-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If the male states that he wishes to choose full custody of the child that should be his right.
It is his child as much as hers.

as long as the man can take the child at the point of that decision and carry it to term in his own womb, i agree. otherwise......stfu. think about it.

piercehawkeye45 · 08-07-2007, 09:08 PM

I have a question for everyone.

Would you consider forcing a women to give birth to an unwanted baby torture and why or why not?

bluecuracao · 08-07-2007, 09:17 PM

Absolutely. Pregnancy can create extreme physical and/or mental hardship. It's not a 'natural' state for every woman.

Crimson Ghost · 08-08-2007, 01:56 AM

I am about to start a shitstorm of epic proportions ...

Does this legislation cover -

1. Pregnancy from rape? What kind of repercussions will be felt when a rape victim is told - "You want to terminate this pregnancy? You have to ask the rapist for his permission to terminate."

2. The father is dead? For instance - Woman finds out she's pregnant, the problem being that the child will be deformed. She decides to terminate. The father died between insemination and discovery of situation.

3. The pregnancy will, without a doubt, be harmful to the mother and/or child. However, the father refuses to abort. Will the state wait until the mother and/or child dies in childbirth to file charges against the father?

I shall now duck and cover.........

Ibby · 08-08-2007, 02:09 AM

Men should absolutely, positively, 100% have a say in whether or not a woman gets an abortion...

On a personal level. Legally, legislatively, authoritatively? He has absolutely no right to any say whatsoever.

09-08-2007, 01:13 PM	#2
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	More and more I've been switching to the mindset that we should be teaching kids the virtues of abortion from a very young age. Abortion is about keeping unplanned pregnancies down, right? I'm envisioning a system where 7-8yo boys and girls are taught that it's very good thing to have an abortion, good or better then having a kid. Daemonize people who selfishly force others to care for their kids. Lots of indoctrinating necessary, but hey, not like that's been a problem until now. Sounds like something you could write a book about... It'd be every uber-liberal's dream come true from what I've learned, and I wouldn't have to pay for some little snot's daycare. Win-win. Abortions are scary? Never heard that crop up in health-ed. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

09-09-2007, 02:34 PM	#4
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I'm saying that health-ed failed to insert that little detail into the curriculum, I'll never be able to say if it's scary or not though.:p Scary is also kind of a personal assessment, most likely some women find it scary, others don't. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-07-2007, 07:40 PM	#9
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	So if men get the right to force a woman to take a pregnancy to term if he DOES want to be a father, should he also get the right to force her to terminate the pregnancy if he DOES NOT want to be a father? If not, how can you possibly advocate one without the other? If so, doesn't that give men full control over the reproductive function of a woman's body? Just asking.... Stormie __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

08-08-2007, 01:56 AM	#14
Crimson Ghost Larger than life and twice as ugly. Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,264	I am about to start a shitstorm of epic proportions ... Does this legislation cover - 1. Pregnancy from rape? What kind of repercussions will be felt when a rape victim is told - "You want to terminate this pregnancy? You have to ask the rapist for his permission to terminate." 2. The father is dead? For instance - Woman finds out she's pregnant, the problem being that the child will be deformed. She decides to terminate. The father died between insemination and discovery of situation. 3. The pregnancy will, without a doubt, be harmful to the mother and/or child. However, the father refuses to abort. Will the state wait until the mother and/or child dies in childbirth to file charges against the father? I shall now duck and cover......... __________________ We must all go through a rite of passage. It must be physical, it must be painful, and it must leave a mark. I have no knowledge of the events which you are describing, and if I did have knowledge of them, I would be unable to discuss them with you now or at any future period. Don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years

08-08-2007, 02:09 AM	#15
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Men should absolutely, positively, 100% have a say in whether or not a woman gets an abortion... On a personal level. Legally, legislatively, authoritatively? He has absolutely no right to any say whatsoever. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-07-2007, 07:03 PM	#6
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	That's right and sometimes the consequences of that act are not pleaasant. A woman having an abortion is facing up to the consequences of her actions. Also, men and women have sex for a myriad of reasons. It's one of the most basic human drives we have. When a man chooses to have sex he risks losing control of his sperm, a woman risks being impregnated when she doesnt want to be. Both risk sexually transmitted disease given that condoms can break. Sex is risky.

08-07-2007, 07:31 PM	#8
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	And now for the opinion that no one really wants to here on this issue: I think men should get out of any legislation, court or anything that has to deal with abortion. It's actually confusing to me how men can be pro-life, IMO. Personally, I feel that's all up to her. A man ("as much as it is his") shouldn't be able to overlord something that is happening to a woman's body. She can and has all the right to do whatever she wants to do and a man can only and should only act accordingly. The Chris Rock joke goes like this: "When she comes from outta the bathroom an' she got that "shit it happened" look on her face you got two options. You can say "Oh, I'm so happy, I will be a great father and am really looking forward to our baby!" or you can look at her like a deer in headlights an' say "....so whachu gonna do?"

08-07-2007, 09:08 PM	#12
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I have a question for everyone. Would you consider forcing a women to give birth to an unwanted baby torture and why or why not?

08-07-2007, 09:17 PM	#13
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Absolutely. Pregnancy can create extreme physical and/or mental hardship. It's not a 'natural' state for every woman.

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