Passed Away - Page 2

TheMercenary · 11-27-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I know, I was being sarcastic.

I guess I feel bad when someone who has been through all these things we cannot fathom, then in their death even they get ridiculed and beaten down.

That is only because they are selfish assholes.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 03:54 PM

Yep, you got it all figgered out, Mercy.

Sundae · 11-27-2007, 04:03 PM

Someone is in such despair that they are prepared to give up the only thing they are born with (ie life) and you think they should be considering other people's feelings?

Can't see it happening somehow.

The brave can sacrifice their own lives for other people.
The suicidal can only remove their own.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 04:05 PM

Nicely said, SG.

Sundae · 11-27-2007, 04:09 PM

Anyway Spectacle:

Don't try to pigeon-hole your feelings - you can't help what you feel and what you don't. I would suggest your feelings are appropriate to your relationship anyway.

Last year one of ladies who worked in my local newsagent committed suicide. I went in there a couple of times a week and exchanged the usual pleasantries with her. When told she had committed suicide, first I had to think hard to remember her (two ladies with the same hair colour doing the same job confuse me). And then I was mildly interested, shocking the friend who told me, who thought I'd be upset.

There's enough genuine sadness in people's lies without worrying about borrowing some.

glatt · 11-27-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

That was my first thought too, to be honest. You'll be a lot sadder if you are unexpectedly evicted by whoever his estate passes to.

So the first of the month is fast approaching. Does the rent check go to the dead guy? Or does Spec need to track down the new owner and pay him? Damn if I know. I'd probably mail the check to the dead guy. The estate ought to be able to cash it.

Cicero · 11-27-2007, 05:50 PM

My fiance killed himself while I was at work....prepping vegetables...
The worst job I've ever had too...

If you'd like to know why someone would do such a thing....date me...apparently it makes people suicidal. I was thinking about a friend last night who hung himself. He was a very strong person..I think he was confused temporarily and that was enough. I think they all were. I don't think it had anything to do with strength. They all happened to be very strong...Just confused. I think it could happen to anyone now.

Let me add, I don't think just anyone can take others out. They are different.

Pie · 11-27-2007, 07:52 PM

I've had this conversation with my mother before. As far as we can see it, there are only two reasons to stay alive.
1. Duty
2. Curiosity

Once those are overcome, there is no reason to keep slogging.

I'm not now suicidal, but I have been in the past. I still sometimes get a flash through my head of ramming my car into an overpass or some such when I'm driving. It's weird how strong the impulse can be. And I currently have no reason whatsoever to want to do such a thing.

Aliantha · 11-27-2007, 08:02 PM

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get a flash through my head of ramming my car into an overpass or some such when I'm driving. It's weird how strong the impulse can be

I'm glad someone else posted this. Now I don't think I'm completely crazy.

Pie · 11-27-2007, 08:06 PM

I didn't say I wasn't crazy.

Aliantha · 11-27-2007, 08:10 PM

oh shit, now i'm in trouble!

Clodfobble · 11-27-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

I still sometimes get a flash through my head of ramming my car into an overpass or some such when I'm driving. It's weird how strong the impulse can be. And I currently have no reason whatsoever to want to do such a thing.

A friend told me once (and he said he got it from his shrink, for whatever that's worth) that this is, oddly enough, a mental phenomenon associated with obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and doesn't actually reflect a genuine desire to be hurt or die. It's more of a mental compulsion to do something because it is there to do, if that makes sense. Anyway, he and/or the shrink also claimed it was far, far more common than most people realize.

(In case it isn't obvious, I used to have thoughts like this casually pop into my head all the time, but they've slowly gone away over the last 5 years or so--coupled with a huge mellowing of my once strong OCD tendencies, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say for sure they're related.)

TheMercenary · 11-27-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Yep, you got it all figgered out, Mercy.

Hey, come sit in the ER with me the next time a 16 yr old shoots himself in the head but doesn't die right away. You would be impressed at how many people it effects. And who gets to go back to his bedroom and clean up the mess. Yea, I think suicide is selfish.

Shawnee123 · 11-28-2007, 07:47 AM

I'm not saying any of that isn't true, merc. I think we're talking about 2 seperate things. I did admit it's selfish; I do believe we can't fathom what it takes to lead someone there.

freshnesschronic · 11-28-2007, 02:46 PM

For the record, I too believe it is one of the most selfish acts in life, but it seems we have no Baptists here. Wouldn't they argue God said it was his time? Or does that not apply since he "took" his own life instead of "waiting" for God to call him up.

11-27-2007, 04:03 PM	#18
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Someone is in such despair that they are prepared to give up the only thing they are born with (ie life) and you think they should be considering other people's feelings? Can't see it happening somehow. The brave can sacrifice their own lives for other people. The suicidal can only remove their own. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

11-27-2007, 04:09 PM	#20
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Anyway Spectacle: Don't try to pigeon-hole your feelings - you can't help what you feel and what you don't. I would suggest your feelings are appropriate to your relationship anyway. Last year one of ladies who worked in my local newsagent committed suicide. I went in there a couple of times a week and exchanged the usual pleasantries with her. When told she had committed suicide, first I had to think hard to remember her (two ladies with the same hair colour doing the same job confuse me). And then I was mildly interested, shocking the friend who told me, who thought I'd be upset. There's enough genuine sadness in people's lies without worrying about borrowing some. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

11-27-2007, 05:50 PM	#22
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	My fiance killed himself while I was at work....prepping vegetables... The worst job I've ever had too... If you'd like to know why someone would do such a thing....date me...apparently it makes people suicidal. I was thinking about a friend last night who hung himself. He was a very strong person..I think he was confused temporarily and that was enough. I think they all were. I don't think it had anything to do with strength. They all happened to be very strong...Just confused. I think it could happen to anyone now. Let me add, I don't think just anyone can take others out. They are different. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

11-27-2007, 07:52 PM	#23
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I've had this conversation with my mother before. As far as we can see it, there are only two reasons to stay alive. 1. Duty 2. Curiosity Once those are overcome, there is no reason to keep slogging. I'm not now suicidal, but I have been in the past. I still sometimes get a flash through my head of ramming my car into an overpass or some such when I'm driving. It's weird how strong the impulse can be. And I currently have no reason whatsoever to want to do such a thing. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-27-2007, 08:06 PM	#25
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I didn't say I wasn't crazy. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-27-2007, 03:54 PM	#17
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Yep, you got it all figgered out, Mercy.

11-27-2007, 04:05 PM	#19
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Nicely said, SG.

11-27-2007, 08:10 PM	#26
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	oh shit, now i'm in trouble! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-28-2007, 07:47 AM	#29
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I'm not saying any of that isn't true, merc. I think we're talking about 2 seperate things. I did admit it's selfish; I do believe we can't fathom what it takes to lead someone there.

11-28-2007, 02:46 PM	#30
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	For the record, I too believe it is one of the most selfish acts in life, but it seems we have no Baptists here. Wouldn't they argue God said it was his time? Or does that not apply since he "took" his own life instead of "waiting" for God to call him up.

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