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classicman · 01-23-2008, 09:45 PM

Should we call you big brother, Radar?

j/k

monster · 01-23-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Then why is the argument that the government can spy on you and limit your freedoms not a valid one? theyre only trying to protect you after all

because the government is "my" servant and "I" am not a minor?

monster · 01-23-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I can and will check up on my wife, kids, or anyone else who uses a computer in my house.

Your WIFE? you don't trust your wife? Do you "allow" her the reciprocal right?
how old are your kids again? Oh, I see...... you dictate which mice are beyond help and can be considered teething aids. you da man.

Ibby · 01-23-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

because the government is "my" servant and "I" am not a minor?

The government is your servant no more than your parents are. The government is that which tells you what to do.
And why should your being or not being a minor matter? Why do we deem it appropriate to deny a huge percentage of our people rights?

or do human rights only apply conditionally... to those old enough to deserve them?

Rexmons · 01-23-2008, 10:22 PM

*ahem

monster · 01-23-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

The government is your servant no more than your parents are. The government is that which tells you what to do.

Do you elect your parents? Do you pay their salaries?

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And why should your being or not being a minor matter? Why do we deem it appropriate to deny a huge percentage of our people rights?

or do human rights only apply conditionally... to those old enough to deserve them?

since when is myspace privacy a human right?

would you allow an 8 year old unlimited access to all the videos on youtube? (If so, please, get a vasectomy now). Would you allow your 10 year old to post pictures of themselves and a phone number on the walls of the sex offenders wing in the max security jail? or even the local Walmart?

Would you think me a bad parent if I allowed my children to do that?

TheMercenary · 01-23-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

Your WIFE? you don't trust your wife? Do you "allow" her the reciprocal right?
how old are your kids again? Oh, I see...... you dictate which mice are beyond help and can be considered teething aids. you da man.

My wife has her own computer. I have my own computer. I have no reason to know what my wife is doing on her computer, we share everything we do. We have 2 other computers that are desk tops which I allow my kids to use. My oldest, now in college has her own computer, what she does on it is her business, not mine, I only care that she studies hard and gets good grades so my money is not wasted. We use this and love it, it has saved us numerous times:

http://www.spector.com/parental-monitoring.html

Radar · 01-24-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Then why is the argument that the government can spy on you and limit your freedoms not a valid one? theyre only trying to protect you after all.

Radar, if you truly supported libertarianism, you would support it on all levels, from the UN to the federal to the state to the local to the PERSONAL level.
THAT is what libertarianism and freedom is about, for me.
It goes to ALL levels. You can't support absolute rule in one area, and no rule in another.

Libertarians do support freedom on all levels. I have the freedom to determine which rules will happen in my household. I have the freedom to use any surveillance I want in my house on any activities in my house.

I make all decisions with regard to the safety and privacy of my children. It sucks for them, but I'm not in a popularity contest. This isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship. I decide what happens in my household for myself and my children. This is personal liberty and it does not deviate from libertarianism.

Radar · 01-24-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

Your WIFE? you don't trust your wife? Do you "allow" her the reciprocal right?
how old are your kids again? Oh, I see...... you dictate which mice are beyond help and can be considered teething aids. you da man.

My wife has an administrative account on my computer. If she can figure out how to check up on me, she is welcome to do it. I have nothing to hide.

Right now my daughter is 8 months old. I miss the hell out of her. She's in Vietnam with her mother for Tet. I will join them on February 29th.

As my daughter grows up, I'll make all decisions regarding her medical care, nutrition, education, safety, and privacy. I'll teach her about freedom and liberty, and let her know the rules of my house.

Radar · 01-24-2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

The government is your servant no more than your parents are. The government is that which tells you what to do.
And why should your being or not being a minor matter? Why do we deem it appropriate to deny a huge percentage of our people rights?

or do human rights only apply conditionally... to those old enough to deserve them?

The valid role and scope of governmental power is only to carry out what rights we have as individuals but have granted to government. Government may never tell us what to do unless our actions violate the person, rights, or property of non-consenting others. The valid role and scope of parental powers is to make each and every single decision regarding the lives and safety of their children from birth until the moment they move out on their own.

classicman · 01-24-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

The valid role and scope of parental powers is to make each and every single decision regarding the lives and safety of their children from birth until the moment they move out on their own.

Wow really? So the first decision your "child" makes will be after she moves out of your home? I gotta believe I'm misreading this.

Radar · 01-24-2008, 11:34 AM

The first decision they get to make that I don't decide whether or not they get to make it, is when they move out.

I may allow them to make decisions, but I may not. The first decision they'll be able to make without my permission is when they move out.

Flint · 01-24-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

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Originally Posted by Radar

The valid role and scope of parental powers is to make each and every single decision
regarding the lives and safety of their children from birth until the moment they move out on their own.

Undertoad · 01-24-2008, 11:38 AM

Which they will do at age 14.

lumberjim · 01-24-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Right now my daughter is 8 months old. I miss the hell out of her. She's in Vietnam with her mother for Tet. I will join them on February 29th.

SO....you're finding Tet ....offensive?

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Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The first decision they get to make that I don't decide whether or not they get to make it, is when they move out. I may allow them to make decisions, but I may not. The first decision they'll be able to make without my permission is when they move out. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

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