Virtual World versus Real World

[classicman]

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coberst has posted in only 1 thread that he didn't start.
By definition this makes him a troll, so you don't need any justification to ban him.

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[Aliantha]

The real world is better than the virtual world. People make assumptions, that is, they make up the bits they don't know about people to fill in the blanks, in a virtual world.

This is never a good way to go.

Any virtual world is a good place to visit once in a while, but it's better to live in the real world.

[Aliantha]

Is there a vital difference between human sciences (such as psychology) and natural sciences (such as physics)?

Yes, psychology is the study of thought and human behaviour. Physics is the study of the natural world. It has very little to do with human behaviour.

Is it possible for humans to create a virtual world that is more important than the real world? What is the difference between a virtual world and the real world?

Yes plenty of people do. That's why we have the internet and mental facilities. The difference is that virtual is not real, and real is real even though it's still a construction of our prior learning.

Or you can just go and watch the matrix. That movie will tell you the opposite of what I've said.

[DanaC]

People make assumptions, that is, they make up the bits they don't know about people to fill in the blanks, in a virtual world.

Hmm. Not sure that's peculiar to virtual worlds, Ali. People fill in blanks and make assumption, because that's what we do....we search for patterns and meaning in what we experience, real or virtual.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Hmm. Not sure that's peculiar to virtual worlds, Ali. People fill in blanks and make assumption, because that's what we do....we search for patterns and meaning in what we experience, real or virtual.

Of course we do. It's all a part of creating meaning. I think it's more prevalent on the internet though, and if it happens to be a virtual world of our own making, well then of course everything is made up.

In a real world relationship between two people, we can observe the way they carry themselves, how they look when they speak. We can see the body language attached to certain statements and know if they're serious or not (largely). We can see how they react to their surroundings. We can hear tone of voice etc. Of course, all these observations are then processed through the filters we've developed due to our own prior experience, but we still then are able to make a better assumption based on our own understanding rather than the grossely wrong ones we are more prone to in a virtual environment.

[Sundae]

My cat's name is Mittens.

[monster]

more than once, in fact

[lumberjim]

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[monster]

Hey, dude, I got your answer about the virtual world vs real world right here (old dwellars need not follow the link, especially at work, all y'all have seen this almost poetic rhetoric before....)

[Troubleshooter]

All things are virtual as they cannot be directly perceived by sapience.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by coberst

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Questions for discussion

Is there a vital difference between human sciences (such as psychology) and natural sciences (such as physics)?
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Yes, the difference is that human sciences are a subset of natural sciences--
unless one allows that human sciences follow a separate "magical" set of rules.

[skysidhe]

Isn't question #1 the same as question #2? I think so.

What does Frued got to do with your questions? Except to say that the only time ole siggy got into the physical world was when he noticed phallic shaped objects otherwise he was too much into his head trying to dictate and disect the virtual world of others.

[coberst]

I would say the difference between a virtual world and the real world is that the real world is grounded in literal experience whereas the virtual world is not grounded.

SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) informs me that we have literal experiences that become sources for abstract ideas or part of other literal experiences.

The conceptual structure of a literal experience is mapped into another mental space to become part of another concept. For example: the experience of warmth resulting from being held by the mother is a literal experience that can be later mapped onto a subjective concept of affection. This means that the subjective concept then contains some or all of the conceptual structure of the literal experience of warmth. That is why almost everyone senses a feeling of warmth when feeling affection for someone.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Gee, all this time I thought that warmth was from rapid heartbeat, and subsequent blood pressure increase, causing increased blood flow through the smaller capillaries near the surface of the skin, where the nerve endings sense the increase in skin temperature. Silly me.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by coberst

I would say the difference between a virtual world and the real world is that the real world is grounded in literal experience whereas the virtual world is not grounded.

Sorry, but the real world "experiences" you speak of are all biased by an individuals PERCEPTION. Perception is reality and therefore all that which one "experiences" is based upon ones perception.

The problem lies when ones perception is skewed. I submit that every person's perceptions are altered by their respective realities. They are skewed by the sum total of each individuals life experiences, environment, personal perspective and general mood/emotional state.

So although the real world may have literal experience, it still may or may not be "real" based upon the individuals perspective.