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Old 10-02-2008, 07:25 PM   #16
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9-4 Obama but I hate each a little more now.
ditto
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:27 PM   #17
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8-5 McCain, but I still don't like him. I wish there was a candidate that didn't want to fuck up health care and did want to send the illegal immigrants to Dana's house...
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:39 PM   #18
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What else have they given us to go by, but sound bites.
One has demonstrated who his people are by picking a VP that does not know what the Bush doctrine was AND then justifies Pearl Harboring of any sovereign nation only because we might feel threatened.

George Sr had to make those same concessions to get elected – to empower the extremists of his party to gain their support. Do we really need those same people justifying a unilateral attack on Iran only because we ‘feel’ Iran might be a threat? Sarah Palin gave us everything to see beyond the sound bytes. She represents the devil that McCain had to make a deal with.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:36 AM   #19
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9-4 McCain. No real surprise there.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:25 AM   #20
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What else have they given us to go by, but sound bites.
Where have you looked?

Obama

McCain

These source documents. As close to the candidate's minds as we can get at this point. There's more to it than just their rhetoric, of course. I depend on fact checking sources as well. And I find second hand subjective analyses helpful, even necessary on most topics, since I'm not an expert in every field that interests or affects me. For those I turn to various news services in radio and print and television and on the intarwebz, too many and varied to list. Perhaps this is as good a first step as any.

Keep reading, keep listening, keep talking.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:31 AM   #21
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10 Obama, 3 McCain.

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Old 10-04-2008, 01:10 AM   #22
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Don't worry about me dear, you go on ahead. Somehow my childhood carried on through the Carter administration and I even did ok in the military during the Clinton years. I'll be ok. Besides if things get too bad I can just go to Mexico, right?
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:10 AM   #23
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:36 AM   #24
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Jinx, honey, if you're sending shedloads of Mexicans, can you make sure they're armed with tacos please?:P
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:34 AM   #25
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I even did ok in the military during the Clinton years.
Unlike Bush, who might have gotten you killed.
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:58 AM   #26
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Obama 10-3

I actually agreed with McCain's statement about the Supreme Court. I think he's lying considering his implied promise to appoint judges who will overturn Roe v Wade, but I agree with his statement.
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:33 PM   #27
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Unlike Bush, who might have gotten you killed.
Oh sure, but at least we knew he'd send in support. Clinton? Somalia? Blue Helmet duty? Don't fire even if the fuckers are throwing flaming bottles of kerosene at you? No thanks.
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Old 10-04-2008, 10:30 PM   #28
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a) according to dontvote.org I'm not allowed to vote with my 78% score
b) 10/3 O'bama
c) There isn't a candidate who can make me happy anyway. The three McCain agree answers were the ones I felt more strongly about anyway.
d) I would vote for another J Edgar Hoover if his agenda were campaign and government reform, rather than cross dressing.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:09 AM   #29
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3 - 10 McCain. It is still unlikely that I will vote for him.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:37 AM   #30
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Yeah,

I always look at these sort of pickers as not giving us the whole story. They only tell you where the candidate stands on issues, not whether they have the leadership to actually try to accomplish things, which items will on the agenda and which simply will never be, what they are actually able to do from the office, whether they are unflappable under pressure, whether they can convince the people of what to do, etc. etc. I think a gut-level feeling about the people is a better predictor than random policy statements they've made.

Similarly the quiz show failure of Ms. Palin. Of course she's underqualified. But does it even make a decent predictor of what sort of President she'd be if in office? Truman never went to college at all, ran a men's clothing store into the ground in three years as preparation for his station as Senator, which would lead to the VP selection after sessions of booze and poker played out of his office. He'd surely fail the quiz show format; and at the time they thought he was lousy as Pres; but history turned that around and now he's seen as one of the better ones.
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