McCain should have picked a different plumber - Page 2

Pico and ME · 10-17-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Blame them for what? OMG please stop with the conspiracy theories. It's really unbecoming of you.

The GOP CAMPAIGN for using this guy in the debate.

Sheesh.

And yes, I think he was a plant. Its not like it hasn't happened before.

classicman · 10-17-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

The GOP CAMPAIGN for using this guy in the debate.

Sheesh.

And yes, I think he was a plant. Its not like it hasn't happened before.

ok - thats fine. Now I understand where you are coming from.

Pico and ME · 10-17-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Blame them for what? OMG please stop with the conspiracy theories. It's really unbecoming of you.

If you want details of Obama's tax plan or anything else just go to his site and look them up. All the details are there - all you gotta do is read 'em. I would have thought you already did that.

Oops, you added more...

I want to know why Merc thinks so. He's the one saying it, he should back it up. I didnt ask you....stepping on peoples posts like that is unbecoming, ya know.

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 12:47 PM

Why all the angst against the blue collar workers of America? Dude wakes up every day. Goes to work at a plumbing business. Does plumbing work all day. Goes home to his family. The dude is a plumber.

Real estate agents aren't brokers. Bricklayers didn't all have to take a formal course or be licensed in their state to be brick layers. Sheeesh....

Shawnee123 · 10-17-2008, 01:03 PM

Small businesses who make over $250,000 only comprise about, I think it was, 2 or 3 % of small businesses.

Remember the movie Wag the Dog? This is McCain's Good Old Shoe.

Gullible closed-minded people abound when it comes to falling for this mindless propaganda. I'd laugh if I didn't feel so damn sorry for them.

bluecuracao · 10-17-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Small businesses who make over $250,000 only comprise about, I think it was, 2 or 3 % of small businesses.

Also, small businesses are able to claim quite a few tax write-offs, so a minimal tax increase would affect them even less.

barefoot serpent · 10-17-2008, 01:16 PM

Obamas plan is for a marginal tax increase of 3% over $250,000.

That is only $900 more for an income of $280,000.

Shawnee123 · 10-17-2008, 01:17 PM

Shut up with your facts. I SPEET on your facts!

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 01:45 PM

Oh, hell, everyone has an extra $900 they can just pull out of the budget for the business. Might be smart to go ahead and fire at least one employee. Obama will take care of them.

bluecuracao · 10-17-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh, hell, everyone has an extra $900 they can just pull out of the budget for the business. Might be smart to go ahead and fire at least one employee. Obama will take care of them.

Being out $900 is not going to force any somewhat viable small business to fire anyone. Especially a small business that's making enough profit to be taxed an extra $900.

TheMercenary · 10-17-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Being out $900 is not going to force any somewhat viable small business to fire anyone. Especially a small business that's making enough profit to be taxed an extra $900.

Well good point. I mean the economy is doing so well and everyone is so financially stable. I mean who is worrying. Just look around you at all the businesses that are raking in the profits, big or small, no worries out there at all. All we need to do is wait for the Second Coming when Obama is elected and he can fix all the ills of the world. I have bridge to sell you in Alaska.

bluecuracao · 10-17-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well good point. I mean the economy is doing so well and everyone is so financially stable. I mean who is worrying. Just look around you at all the businesses that are raking in the profits, big or small, no worries out there at all. All we need to do is wait for the Second Coming when Obama is elected and he can fix all the ills of the world. I have bridge to sell you in Alaska.

Eh? This has to do with what I said how?

I guess you just want to rant. Okay, whatever.

Griff · 10-18-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh, hell, everyone has an extra $900 they can just pull out of the budget for the business. Might be smart to go ahead and fire at least one employee. Obama will take care of them.

Tax credit for American employees hired...

TheMercenary · 10-18-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Tax credit for American employees hired...

Good idea in principle. If someone includes it. The problem is that often the tax credits are given to the companies who lobby the Congress and individual representatives will seek perks for the largest companies, not smalll business. Not to mention that all of this would have to be included in the orignal bill voted on and vetted through Congress. The point is that many people either do not work for a small business, nor have they ever owned one. So it is difficult to imagine the struggles that go along with keeping one afloat. A $900 hit on a company is huge. Most small companies are not super profitable now days, in fact most are just above water, dog paddling.

bluecuracao · 10-18-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The point is that many people either do not work for a small business, nor have they ever owned one. So it is difficult to imagine the struggles that go along with keeping one afloat. A $900 hit on a company is huge. Most small companies are not super profitable now days, in fact most are just above water, dog paddling.

We ran a small business until Fall of last year. It made no net profit whatsoever in the three years we had it open, so I am pretty familiar with small business struggles.

Even if we had made half of $250,000 profit in one year, paying $900 extra in taxes would still not have been much of a hit.

10-17-2008, 12:47 PM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Why all the angst against the blue collar workers of America? Dude wakes up every day. Goes to work at a plumbing business. Does plumbing work all day. Goes home to his family. The dude is a plumber. Real estate agents aren't brokers. Bricklayers didn't all have to take a formal course or be licensed in their state to be brick layers. Sheeesh.... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-17-2008, 01:03 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Small businesses who make over $250,000 only comprise about, I think it was, 2 or 3 % of small businesses. Remember the movie Wag the Dog? This is McCain's Good Old Shoe. Gullible closed-minded people abound when it comes to falling for this mindless propaganda. I'd laugh if I didn't feel so damn sorry for them. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-17-2008, 01:16 PM	#7
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	Obamas plan is for a marginal tax increase of 3% over $250,000. That is only $900 more for an income of $280,000. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

10-17-2008, 01:17 PM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Shut up with your facts. I SPEET on your facts! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-17-2008, 01:45 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Oh, hell, everyone has an extra $900 they can just pull out of the budget for the business. Might be smart to go ahead and fire at least one employee. Obama will take care of them. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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