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12-28-2008, 11:18 PM | #16 |
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Wait, what? You're intolerant of people who don't have opinions?
cause people who are intolerant of neutral parties are the ones i was calling jerks...
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12-28-2008, 11:21 PM | #17 |
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Obama is not a savior. This was predicted by many before he beat Hilary.
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12-28-2008, 11:21 PM | #18 |
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OK, my bad. I misunderstood your statement.
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12-29-2008, 08:36 AM | #19 |
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Well, he did save us from Hilary.
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12-29-2008, 05:24 PM | #21 |
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I say let's get Warren and his family in the room and have him talk with the amazing kids with two loving dads who says grace, then split some homemade lasagna. That'd be good.
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12-29-2008, 07:52 PM | #22 |
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Law forbidding equal rights for gays have their only argument based in religion. Since two gays marrying each other hurts no one else, the government has zero basis to deny it, because laws forbidding such unions are defacto violations of the separation of church and state.
If you agree with this, you are neither tolerant nor intolerant. You are rational. If you are against it, you are neither tolerant nor intolerant. You are religious. If your church doesn't wish to sanction the marriage of same sex couples, your church has that prerogative. If your government doesn't wish to allow such a contractual union, your government is engaging in discrimination based on religion.
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12-29-2008, 07:56 PM | #23 | |
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On Transition Website, Obama Promises More to Gay Community
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Noting, though, that like Bruce, I favor some interest groups over others. Particularly ones that protect more interests of a wider selection of people than they say they do.
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01-02-2009, 09:20 AM | #25 | |
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See, the government should be totally out of the marriage business.
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01-02-2009, 10:22 AM | #26 | |
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01-02-2009, 10:46 AM | #27 |
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Remember the printer who refused service to a gay couple or group because he was a Christian ... or the Christian pharmacists are resistant to dispensing the morning after pill? Or the Canadian minister who was accused of a bias crime?
It's not a simple as you believe.
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01-02-2009, 11:21 AM | #29 |
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That problem will appear but those will be rare occurrences, not enough to make a valid argument against gay marriage. Also, when gay marriage starts to become legal in the state many religious peoples will then start banning it within the church, getting rid of that problem.
Marriage does not have an overall definition and is defined by each religion that practices it. If you want marriage to be a man and a woman, define it within your religion.
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01-02-2009, 12:32 PM | #30 |
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The point I'm trying to make is that individual religions will likely NOT be permitted to make a definition different from what the government legislates. If gay marriage is the law of the land, and a church denies that status, then the church would be liable to charges of discrimination, accused of hate crimes, etc.
If churches were able to define marriage as they saw fit, Mormons would still have plural marriage. Would enforcement of gay marriage within a church also apply to Muslims? "Eminent scholars of Islam, such as Sheikh ul-Islam Imam Malik, Imam Shafi amongst others, rule that the Islam disallows homosexuality and ordains a capital punishment for a person guilty of it." Wikipedia on Homosexuality and Islam
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