Save the Sea Kittens

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by tw

Meanwhile PETA (and Aliantha) miss the point. Since the 1980s, the world has massively depleted all fish stocks including something new - killing off and throwing back of 25% of the fish stock. A problem so severe that even after 16 years without fishing, the cod still have not returned to the Grand Banks. A problem now found all over the world.

What makes you think that I personally am not aware of the problems with fisheries the world over?

My husband has written numerous papers on the subject. He's written a book on fisheries management in Australia. He has a phd in zoology and his subject was the biology and management of the swallow tailed dart of the surf zone carangid.

You don't live with someone with that wealth of knowledge without learning a few things.

Come back to me if you actually want to have a discussion on the subject mate.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Come back to me if you actually want to have a discussion on the subject mate.

Aliantha is not the topic. PETA is the topic. PETA missing the point. I gather you understand the point. But you fail to grasp that I am not discussing Aliantha. I am discussing the relevant part of the topic - which PETA seems to completely ignore.

Somehow, you have confuse a criticism of the point with a criticism of you? Why? You are not attached to PETA or a serous fisheries problem. But you missed (did not post) what is an obvious criticism of (mistake made by) PETA.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

He asked for a citation for why you picked the 80's as the defining moment. That, Sir, is a legitimate question, and your tirade is way out of line.

His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again. You, on the other hand, are asking for further clarification in a responsible manner that includes clarification or foundation for your doubt or question. So you get a reply - not the turd.

Studies cite the 1980s as a point which fisheries were being depleted to levels that began a complete collapse of various species. It is now estimated that 90% of all species are in various stages of that complete collapse. Cod on the Grand Bank being a worst case example of what has been happening. After 16 years of banned fishing, Cod numbers still remain depleted for reasons not fully understood.

The 1980s is also when fish caught, killed, and thrown back went from near zero to 25%. Mankind now also trashes many other species that are important to stability of the ocean’s balance. Perfect example of what created this problem are drift nets which came into widespread use in the 1980s.

1980s is cited often as the time that numbers of fish taken exceeded a supportable number. Something like five of the world’s seven largest fisheries are now in trouble – on the verge of completely collapse. A problem made even more obvious by virtually no fish now around Taiwan and Japan where fish stock were depleted to complete collapse. The fish stocks never returned. What happened there long ago is now (and suddenly) being discovered all over the world.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Well both PETA (and Aliantha who will now reply hysterically) miss a bigger point.

Originally Posted by classicman

There you go again. Was that really necessary?

cite something... anything to prove your timeline. This has been going on since long before the mid 80's. It started at least a decade earlier, probably more.

Originally Posted by tw

But then classicman always posts attacks AND never risks posting a fact. Did classicman every cite a supporting facts for this (or any other) post?

Cite? classicman never posts citations.
Meanwhile PETA (and Aliantha) miss the point.

Originally Posted by classicman

I'm sorry tw - I missed your cite AGAIN - Try posting some actual facts to support your claim that the fish depletion began in the 80's.
FWIW, I post a citation each and every time I'm asked.

Originally Posted by tw

Aliantha is not the topic. PETA is the topic. PETA missing the point.

Somehow, you have confuse(d)a criticism of the point with a criticism of you? Why? You are not attached to PETA or a serous fisheries problem. But you missed (did not post) what is an obvious criticism of(a)(mistake made by) PETA.

Seems like you brought her into it - You made it personal.

And I cited several quotes/sources (see post #15) to back up my claim which tw AGAIN ignored because they do not agree with tw's politics. This seems very hypocritical.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again.

You, on the other hand, are asking for further clarification in a responsible manner that includes clarification or foundation for your doubt or question. So you get a reply - not the turd.

Oh really? Again with the attack. ok, Where is the cite provided for tw's reply to Bruce who simply restated classicman's request? Looks like tw again wrote a long post based upon tw's assumptions, opinions and/or politics without any proof. Something that one poster would call "whacko extremist." Interesting indeed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again.

I disagree.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by tw

Well both PETA (and Aliantha who will now reply hysterically) miss a bigger point.

A problem that exists all over the world and is still getting worse. The severe reduction in all categories of fish is (unfortunately) proceeding as the math predicted.

Looks like you made it personally about me and attached me to PETA yourself tw.

Originally Posted by tw

Meanwhile PETA (and Aliantha) miss the point. Since the 1980s, the world has massively depleted all fish stocks including something new - killing off and throwing back of 25% of the fish stock. A problem so severe that even after 16 years without fishing, the cod still have not returned to the Grand Banks. A problem now found all over the world.

And again you attach me to PETA through your statement suggesting that I don't get the point you're making.

Originally Posted by tw

Aliantha is not the topic. PETA is the topic. PETA missing the point. I gather you understand the point. But you fail to grasp that I am not discussing Aliantha. I am discussing the relevant part of the topic - which PETA seems to completely ignore.

Somehow, you have confuse a criticism of the point with a criticism of you? Why? You are not attached to PETA or a serous fisheries problem. But you missed (did not post) what is an obvious criticism of (mistake made by) PETA.

Your condescending attitude towards anyone else with knowledge on a subject (and might I add that many people here are more informed on this subject than you are) is why I felt it necessary to inform you that you're barking up the wrong tree when accusing me of 'not getting the point'. You're a rude little so and so with an over-inflated sense of importance when it comes to any topic you decide to shoot your mouth of on. Aside from that, your vitriolic responses to some other members here recently have left me with a very sour taste in my mouth with regard to your ability to even discuss a topic with any real intelligence at all. Your contribution to this forum is nothing more than a running joke, but you're the only one who doesn't get it. You think people take you seriously? You think anyone has any respect for your reconstituted drivel?

The answer is no. You're nothing more than a small man with a bad case of verbal diarrhea.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Your condescending attitude towards anyone else with knowledge on a subject (and might I add that many people here are more informed on this subject than you are) is why I felt it necessary to inform you that you're barking up the wrong tree when accusing me of 'not getting the point'. You're a rude little so and so with an over-inflated sense of importance when it comes to any topic you decide to shoot your mouth of on.

Fine. I stand by what I posted with no consideration or intent for personal attacks. PETA (and your criticism of PETA) misses the fundamental point. I never said you did not know this. I said you were criticizing the irrelevant thing. Any condescending - you added that to what I did not say and did not intend to say. To see condescending, then see what I have to say about TheMercenary's wife. Was that in the post? Of course not. Then nothing was personal. I will often appear rude because I just post and challenge facts - that have no attachement to people.

Meanwhile, your criticism of (silly) PETA completely missed a larger and more relevant point - my point then and still my point now.

Meanwhile, what can you add to this predicted collapse of so many fisheries?

[Aliantha]

PETA's Point - killing fish is cruel

tw's Point - mismanagement has depleted fish stocks and now there are serious problems which need to be addressed.

My Point - PETA are aiming this website at the wrong demographic and it's not going to go anywhere.

My Opinion - There are serious issues with regard to mismanagement of fisheries which need to be addressed and PETA do more to damage the likelihood of any recovery than they obviously realise. Telling people not to kill fish for food is not the answer. Proper management of a renewable resource is.

ETA: btw, I have some information on some of the by-catch reduction devices currently in use or on trial in Australia if you're seriously interested in learning what some people in the industry are working on to solve the by-catch issue which seems to be of serious concern to you.

[monster]

Let's eat the twolls instead!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Any condescending - you added that to what I did not say and did not intend to say. To see condescending, then see what I have to say about TheMercenary's wife.

Over the line and you know it. I have never made a comment about your wife or family.

[zippyt]

How Fucking Board is TW To be Arguing about FISH !!!!!

Oh Yeah Tw I have NEVER Put any body on ignore till Now !!!

See ya, Wouldnt want to be YA !!!!

[Aliantha]

Hey, fish are important! They make up a good proportion of our diet and they also provide us with a good excuse to go to the beach often.

Fish are not boring! lol

[zippyt]

I didnt meen that fish are boring , it just seems TWs spoiling for a scrap ANY where he can find one , includeing Personal attacks .
We should ALL ignore him , may be he will go AWAY !!!

I doubt it , but hey you Never know

[monster]

Originally Posted by zippyt

How Fucking Board is TW To be Arguing about FISH !!!!!

Oh Yeah Tw I have NEVER Put any body on ignore till Now !!!

See ya, Wouldnt want to be YA !!!!

Fishing is a twoll's speciality ...occasionally they change the bait to see if they can stir up the waters and snag some bigger fish ....and it works.