Green Electric Cars

[Aliantha]

Do they come in red too?

[sugarpop]

I don't know. I will try to find out for you. It will have to wait though, because I have to go to the store.

[glatt]

What I found said they currently have a range of 7.22 km. What is that, like 4 miles?

The PR people seem to be making all sorts of claims about what they can do in theory. But initial results are extremely disappointing.

[Aliantha]

1.6 km in a mile, so about 4.5 miles.

[classicman]

Uh no, thats not gonna work then.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Personally, I'd love to see hydrogen technology take off all across the board. Finding a cheap, efficient way to split water into usable hydrogen and oxygen could be a god-send.

Technology facts have been discussed extensively including citations in The Cellar. Hydrogen as a fuel works in myths and science fiction. Even White House lawyers could not make the science work. Numbers made that obvious even years ago when the ignorant were promoting hydrogen as a fuel. Nothing exciting about a technology that cannot even work sufficiently in best conditions.

If it cannot work theoretically, then it is not possible. Or do you believe principles such as conservation of energy can be violated?

Hydrogen as a fuel has been promoted by some of America's greatest enemies. Enemies: people who promote this stuff without first learning science. Enemies such as George Jr and Rick Wagoner both promoted hydrogen. Later, both went strangely silent - no longer recommend that solution. Even they finally learned how dumb that solution was.

Get used to reality. We have no alternative to fossil fuels. Anything that would replace fossil fuels decades from now must currently be possible using thermodynamic principles. Nothing exists to replace fossil fuels.

The solution was always obvious. Doing more by consuming less. Therein lies the advantage of the hybrid - the electric car - which also explains why steam engines were replaced by diesel electric locomotives even 70 some years ago. But again, I am simply reposting (this time without the details) what anyone here would have known a year ago. Hydrogen as a replacement for transportation fuel is obviously mythical.

Where does hydrogen provide advantages? Read those previous posts where the solution is about adapting to changing loads.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'm picturing a tractor trailer load of neodymium magnets, tooling down the highway dragging hundreds of cars... brakes smoking, tires squealing, and drivers wide eyed with terror.

[sugarpop]

“I want to stress that these are estimates, and that we’ll know soon more precisely from our engineers,” ZPM spokesman Kevin Haydon told PM, “but a vehicle with one tank of air and, say, 8 gal. of either conventional petrol, ethanol or biofuel could hit between 800 and 1000 miles.”

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4251491.html

Why are you guys having so much trouble finding the information? *scratching head*

[glatt]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Why are you guys having so much trouble finding the information? *scratching head*

Your quote is a wild claim by a PR guy about an imaginary future car. You said that these cars exists. That's true. The ones that do exist only go 4 miles.

[sugarpop]

OK, maybe they haven't been perfected yet, I don't know, but here are some more links...

According to some sources, they have much better mileage than gasoline vehicles. (Air Cars can travel 200 kilometers for just 1.5 euros)
http://aircarfacts.com/

one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car’s carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers also will be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car’s built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about 4 hours.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4217016.html

achieves over 100 gas-equivalent mpg and over 90 mph, has zero to low C02 emissions,
http://zeropollutionmotors.us/

[classicman]

planned Air Car models,

on the way to production

Of course, the Air Car will likely never hit American shores, especially considering its all-glue construction.

The "next summer" production release date of this July 2007 article refers to was Summer 2008. No air cars have been produced.

The truth is not on MDi affiliated websites, that is advertising
If you want the entire truth about air cars, do not waste your time on a company affiliated website. Just look at the history of MDI, the claims they made for the past 9 years, the fact none of their plans for production ever materialized, and the path they are currently taking with their vehicles. The small vehicles on their website are proof that air can not power a normal sized vehicle. MDI needs to come up with something already after lying for 9 years, so they come up with a pathetic looking "Airpod" that weighs less than 500 lbs. develops less than 6 hp. and CAN NOT be used on a roadway.

All from your link.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

snip~ one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph

And after I leave the driveway?

MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car’s carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi.

Jesus fucking christ, 4350 psi! Have you any idea how dangerous that is?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Jesus fucking christ, 4350 psi! Have you any idea how dangerous that is?

Hey, but they are safer for the environment. I wonder if we can get some hydrogen powered cars on the road soon. Can you imagine the fireball after two of those babies run into each other?

"We would like to unveil the very first hydrogen powered car!.... we will call it The Hindenberg."

[Shawnee123]

The Mini Hindi!

[glatt]

Useless trivia:

The skin of the Hindenburg is what actually caught fire. When it was burning enough that it ruptured, it released the hydrogen, and the hydrogen ignited at that point, way up high in the sky above the burning blimp shell.

The common belief that a hydrogen blimp was inherently dangerous because of what happened on the Hindenburg was disproved in the early 1990s when scientists reexamined what was known about that accident. If I recall correctly, it was some sort of coating on the skin that made it flammable. Hydrogen is actually less flammable than gasoline. 932F versus 536F