For discussion: If you were a pedophile

[morethanpretty]

I believe you can opt for chemical castration, but it would probably have to be administered through a doctor. So you would have to tell them why you want such a round of drugs.

Its a compulsion, I don't know if a person can ever be truly "cured" of pedophilia. Other than opting out, or bein locked up, the only other way too keep yourself from givin into the impulse would probably be chemical castration.

[DanaC]

It's not always a compulsion to 'act'. Any more than ordinary sexual desire is a compulsion to 'act'. Shouldn;t assume thatbecause someone gets turned on by children that they are less able to resist that desire than someone who is turned on by anything else.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Depends on if it's real children involved. These days there's a hell of a lot of very realistic looking porn art .....or so I hear:P

...And that has also been labeled criminal child pornography in the eyes of the law. I would do a google search to cite an article backing up my claim, but I don't want the nice young men from the NSA to pay me a visit.

The question, always, lies in harm. Homosexuality in and of itself is not harmful to the consenting adults (well, as long as enough lube is used, I suppose.) I can imagine -- with major mental contortions -- a society where a type pedophilia was not inherently harmful. We do not live in that society.

So, in this society, an active pedophile (like a rapist) is one that seeks to do harm to others. Therefore, they are criminal. If I had impulses like that, I would hope to seek some sort of therapy. Similar to how I would feel if I had impulses to randomly shoot people or torture small animals.

[DanaC]

Looking at made-up pictures and cgi porn shouldn;t be illegal. IMO.

[Clodfobble]

The problem is there have been a whole lot of studies showing that looking at porn does not satisfy the urge, but rather intensifies the desire for the real thing.

[monster]

If I was a pedophile? a female one? does chemical castration work for girls? Well yeah, I know they are mostly male, but i don't even manage to predict beest's reaction to stuff and we've been married 15 years. How in the hell am i supposed to know how I'd think if i were a male attracted to children in a sexual way? frankly, I suspect i'd feel that it was normal and society was being unduly oppresive. So I'd keep quiet and do what i needed to do in secret and seek out others who felt the same way.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Wiki

In response to the demise of the CPPA, on April 30, 2003 President George W. Bush signed into law the PROTECT Act of 2003 (also dubbed the Amber Alert Law).[1]

The law enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A, which criminalizes material that has "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene" or "depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in ... sexual intercourse ... and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value". By its own terms, the law does not make all simulated child pornography illegal, only that found to be obscene or lacking in serious value.

And

The PROTECT Act also amended 18 U.S.C. § 2252A, which was part of the original CPPA. The amendment added paragraph (a)(3), which criminalizes knowingly advertising or distributing "an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." The law draws a distinction between obscene depiction of any minor, and mere depiction of an actual minor.

[skysidhe]

I object someones lust for children and calling it a sexual orientation.

There are so many defense mechanisms which take the responsibility away from the perpetrator whatever the crime.

The news is full of it. Like that women drowning babies in the bathtub because she had postpartum blues. That man who said he turned his life around and god talked to him out of little boxes so he kept her captive in his back yard for twenty years.

I think it is more of a case of the primitive brain that cannot delay personal gratification.

[Cloud]

but just because you object to it, doesn't mean it's not true.

I don't know that it is a sexual orientation--that just seems to be what most of the experts are now saying. It's a thing that just is--not something you choose.

[monster]

Isn't it natural for animals to pick the youngest, strongest, fittest mate? Wouldn't that just make pedophilia an excessive extension of a natural urge?

/devil's advocate

[skysidhe]

noooooo mon e devil , and I don't have the brain power to take it to the discussion level. I just wanted to call BS. Or anyway that's my vote.

cloud
Truth is relative where a person's inner self is concerned.

If there is a 'victim' involved any reason given to alleviate the responsibility is just a defense mechanism.

[plthijinx]

i know that the TDCJ offers the orchiectomy procedure for free to it's inmates. or in some cases i've seen inmates get worked over because of their crimes. a guy i know beat the living shayt out of his cellie for looking at his daughters' picture wrong. the guard let the guy i know make it and didn't put him in lock up because he told the guard what happened and the guard said he had 2 daughters and probably would have done the same thing if in jasons' position.

back on subj. sometimes the orchiectomy doesn't take. this guy on parole had “in possession of cards featuring individuals having sex as well as images of exposed females.”

here's the story

personally i find it disgusting. i would have no problem going to prison if someone touched my son in an inappropriate manner.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by plthijinx

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here's the story

personally i find it disgusting. i would have no problem going to prison if someone touched my son in an inappropriate manner.

Exactly plthijinx. It is because you can identify with the victim. You have empathy for the hurt and damage done to a child who has no power or worldly knowledge. Children are taught to obey adults and to have an adult betray that code is indefensible.


I had to burn out my thoughts on this by doing some reading on self control theories, criminology and the link between the two.

Finally after seeing the 'marshmallow' control test a half a dozen annoying times I find something short and concise that the 'experts' well agree on and so do I.

If there is a victim then it is a crime and not an orientation. It's about personal gratification and the person who can hurt another to provide their pleasure is a low - brow deviant.

crime as regards to low self-control:

A “here and now” orientation for those who are unwilling or unable to delay gratification.


Easy or simple gratification through crime requires no skill or perseverance.

Crime is exciting and appealing to those with low levels of self-control.

Crime has no long-term benefits, thus, is only appealing to those with low self-control.

Crime requires no skill or planning and is especially suited for those who are unable to make long-term investments in skill development.

Crime results in pain or discomfort for its victims, which fits with the correlation between low self-control and self-centeredness.


ok It's time for me to quit.

[plthijinx]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

snip.....Crime has no long-term benefits, thus, is only appealing to those with low self-control.

Crime requires no skill or planning and is especially suited for those who are unable to make long-term investments in skill development.

Crime results in pain or discomfort for its victims, which fits with the correlation between low self-control and self-centeredness.

and i can't tell you how many people (errrr asswipes) i met who have not only low self control and self-centeredness but also a huge problem i saw that they have is low to extremely low self-esteem. whatever crime they were locked up for, it didn't matter. those three problems were very prominent. it's a very difficult problem to fix and in most cases, cannot. why? because they don't want to change mostly. maybe one out of a hundred.

[DanaC]

Sky what you are talking about is acting on the impulse, not having the impulse. The impulse itself is ( I think) an unchosen orientation. Acting on it is a crime.