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Old 01-30-2010, 09:03 AM   #16
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yeh pretty much blamed attacked and chastised everyone else for everything.

like wall street. Ya know those big bad bankers we all hate . . .
Then the VERY NEXT DAY he invites them to a teleconference.

or the Insurance companies whom he lambasted for their profits then had private meeting with to discuss reform.

or the unions who got that sweetheart no-pay deal in the senate version of the now on life support healthcare bill.
Go figure.

Seems like the only one he didn't blame was Reid who aptly fell asleep during the speech.
Well stated.
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:15 AM   #17
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It is called outreach and dialogue with persons who represent numerous interests across the political spectrum.
It is called outreach and dialogue with Lobbyists who represent numerous interests across the political spectrum.
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:19 AM   #18
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It is called outreach and dialogue with Lobbyists who represent numerous interests across the political spectrum.
So the administration should not be briefing any interest groups?

No conversations with industry groups, public interest groups, state/local elected officials, faith based leaders?

Why not? You prefer setting policy in a vacuum?
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:56 AM   #19
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It is called outreach and dialogue with Lobbyists who represent numerous interests across the political spectrum.
It is called making back door deals with special interests groups who supported your election and you hope will support you in the next election. It is not about doing the business of the people, for the people. They are pimps.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:58 PM   #20
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So the administration should not be briefing any interest groups?

No conversations with industry groups, public interest groups, state/local elected officials, faith based leaders?
Where did I say any of that?
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:00 PM   #21
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Where did I say any of that?
Relax.....I simply asked you questions to better understand your earlier critical (?) comment in light of the fact that numerous interest groups across the political spectrum, not just bankers, were invited and participated in the conference calls.

So the administration should not be briefing any interest groups?

No conversations with industry groups, public interest groups, state/local elected officials, faith based leaders?

Why not? You prefer setting policy in a vacuum?

Get off the fence and take a stand.

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Old 01-30-2010, 11:05 PM   #22
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I was pointing out that the Pres looked rather hypocritical.
And your questions are nothing more than absolutes which we both realize aren't applicable in the real world.

Now that I think about it, perhaps the one who should "Get off the fence and take a stand. " is the president.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:11 PM   #23
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I was pointing out that the Pres looked rather hypocritical.
And your questions are nothing more than absolutes which we both realize aren't applicable in the real world.

Now that I think about it, perhaps the one who should "Get off the fence and take a stand. " is the president.
IMO, it is only hypocritical if you are unwilling to understand that there is a huge difference between innocuous but helpful briefings to a large and diverse audience of organizations (btw, many of the participants are not lobbyists, but policy analysts) interested in domestic policy issues as opposed to providing lobbyists an "insider" role in developing those policies.

But nice dodge. .
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:44 PM   #24
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I was pointing out that the Pres looked rather hypocritical.
And your questions are nothing more than absolutes which we both realize aren't applicable in the real world.
Now that I think about it, perhaps the one who should "Get off the fence and take a stand. " is the president.
I don't see your point? This wasn't a back door meeting with bankers. If a shitload of people are invited to listen to where Obama wants to go, and are invited to put in their 2 cents on how to get there... in front of that all those people... how is this fence sitting?

You know damn well he's not a dictator, he can't just make things happen on his own. He has to drum up support for these ideas. And since the public would rather watch American Idol with a bag of heart attack & dip, he has to do it the hard way, by convincing these policy wonks, and power players. This has always been the way it works, you're just not used to seeing it done in the open.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:51 PM   #25
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opposed to providing lobbyists an "insider" role in developing those policies.
puhlease.

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But nice dodge. .
no dodge at all just an honest response to bogus questions.

Perhaps your right again xob. Perhaps its just my impatience coming out.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:57 PM   #26
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puhlease.


no dodge at all just an honest response to bogus questions.

Perhaps your right again xob. Perhaps its just my impatience coming out.
LOL...I get a "puhlease" and xob gets a "you're right" when we're both basically saying the same thing! (not a back door meeting w/bankers..but a briefing to lots of people representing lots of diverse interests)

And, IMO, you are still sitting on the fence.

Whats wrong with the president/administration officials proving briefings (with a little more detail) to a diverse group of interested organizations following a major policy address?

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Old 01-31-2010, 12:06 AM   #27
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Got to get the power players on board, because the own the lobbyists, that control the congress.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:21 AM   #28
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Don't hate me or fear me because I'm a policy wonk.
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PolicyWonks are kinda hard to explain. However, you know one when you hear one. Above all else, PolicyWonks are smart…really smart. And they like to talk and listen, but mostly to debate...

PolicyWonks, then, are not always the most well-liked people. But they are respected. Sometimes even feared....

http://www.policywonk.com
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:24 AM   #29
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Fear? Get serious.
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Old 01-31-2010, 12:27 AM   #30
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Fear? Get serious.
Policy wonks also know how to network.

I have friends in low places all over the government...in all those alphabet agencies...watch your back.
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