TSA authorities can fine you $10,000 for leaving the airport - Page 2

Spexxvet · 11-15-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Our founding fathers wouldn't be able to recognize us. What a bunch of pussies this country has become. We are so afraid of an infinitesimal risk of terrorism that we are willing to give up all our personal freedoms.

I agree. But the other side of the coin is that we should not overreact when terrorism does happen, which we do. Maybe we need to treat terrorism as a part of life.

wolf · 11-15-2010, 10:32 AM

As part of my job, I operate a metal detector, pass through and hand-held.

I also do physical searches. And you do have to "touch the junk" to complete them, otherwise you're not doing it right. I also search shoes, socks, and later in the process, property.

I find a lot of contraband, including drugs, knives and matches in areas that would be missed without a more thorough pat-down.

And no, I don't get that opportunity with dudes. You get a same sex searcher, although the observer can be opposite sex.

Undertoad · 11-15-2010, 10:36 AM

Are the full body scanners safe? There's honest disagreement on it, and even after I apply my skepticism filter, I can't say they're completely safe.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-15-2010, 10:55 AM

Especially for flight crews that have to go through them several times a day.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-15-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Based on the dude's description, he cashed in the ticket and was accosted by the TSA guys afterwards demanding that he return to the security checkpoint, which he no longer had reason to pass through, in fact, by TSA rules, since he wasn't a ticket holder, couldn't BE on the far side of the security checkpoint. I don't get how that would be a fine-able situation.

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U.S. airline passengers near the security checkpoint can be searched any time and no longer can refuse consent by leaving the airport, the nation’s largest federal appeals court ruled Friday.

The decision (.pdf) by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the circuit’s 34-year-old precedent that over time was evolving toward limiting when passengers could refuse a search and leave the airport after they had checked their bags or placed items on the security screening X-ray machine. Citing threats of terrorism, the court ruled passengers give up all rights to be free of warrantless searches once a "passenger places hand luggage on a conveyor belt for inspection" or "passes though a magnetometer."

"…Requiring that a potential passenger be allowed to revoke consent to an ongoing airport security search makes little sense in a post-9/11 world," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the unanimous 15-judge panel. "Such a rule would afford terrorists multiple opportunities to attempt to penetrate airport security by ‘electing not to fly’ on the cusp of detection until a vulnerable portal is found."

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Clodfobble · 11-15-2010, 07:23 PM

Well, those airlines had too many customers anyway. They could probably use a little less revenue at a time like this.

Just hurry up with the automated flying cars, already.

footfootfoot · 11-15-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Are the full body scanners safe? There's honest disagreement on it, and even after I apply my skepticism filter, I can't say they're completely safe.

I'm sure they've been thoroughly tested and are at least as safe as:
Thalidomide
Diethylstilbestrol
Buformin
Ticrynafen
Zimelidine
Phenacetin
Methaqualone
Nomifensine
Triazolam
Terodiline
Temafloxacin
Flosequinan
Alpidem
Chlormezanone
Fen-phen
Tolrestat
Terfenadine
Etretinate
Tolcapone
Temazepam
Astemizole
Grepafloxacin
Troglitazone
Alosetron
Cisapride
Amineptine
Phenylpropanolamine

And so on.

footfootfoot · 11-15-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Well, those airlines had too many customers anyway. They could probably use a little less revenue at a time like this.

Just hurry up with the automated flying cars, already.

Bruce will send you the link. Mr. Clod may need to go out mountain biking

before you can afford one probably.

Clodfobble · 11-15-2010, 10:40 PM

For a flying car? ...That can be arranged.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-16-2010, 02:21 AM

You're being shortsighted, do you really want all those morons you see on the road, flying over your house?

Bullitt · 11-16-2010, 11:05 AM

The video guy is going to be investigated:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...scan-resistor/

Looks like they want to make an example out of him. "Don't test us or our patience". I applaud the guy for what he did, I doubt he will have any trouble finding affordable legal counsel if this goes to trial.

Undertoad · 11-16-2010, 11:38 AM

Good. Bring it on. They just signed their own death warrant. So to speak.

Cloud · 11-16-2010, 11:50 AM

. . .

classicman · 11-16-2010, 01:29 PM

Yeh - keep pissing them off.

He's one car accident/gas leak away from disappearing permanently.

Bullitt · 11-16-2010, 01:42 PM

I also read somewhere that in light of the backlash against these more invasive security measures, children under the age of 12 will not be patted down. So no more incidents like shown in the video above in the thread (now removed).

Saw a picture recently of an old nun in full habit forced to get up out of her wheel chair to be patted down because she refused to be seen naked on the machine. Disgusting.

11-15-2010, 10:32 AM	#17
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	As part of my job, I operate a metal detector, pass through and hand-held. I also do physical searches. And you do have to "touch the junk" to complete them, otherwise you're not doing it right. I also search shoes, socks, and later in the process, property. I find a lot of contraband, including drugs, knives and matches in areas that would be missed without a more thorough pat-down. And no, I don't get that opportunity with dudes. You get a same sex searcher, although the observer can be opposite sex. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-15-2010, 10:55 AM	#19
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Especially for flight crews that have to go through them several times a day. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-15-2010, 07:23 PM	#21
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Well, those airlines had too many customers anyway. They could probably use a little less revenue at a time like this. Just hurry up with the automated flying cars, already. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-15-2010, 10:40 PM	#24
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	For a flying car? ...That can be arranged. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-16-2010, 02:21 AM	#25
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're being shortsighted, do you really want all those morons you see on the road, flying over your house? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-15-2010, 10:36 AM	#18
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Are the full body scanners safe? There's honest disagreement on it, and even after I apply my skepticism filter, I can't say they're completely safe.

11-16-2010, 11:05 AM	#26
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	The video guy is going to be investigated: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...scan-resistor/ Looks like they want to make an example out of him. "Don't test us or our patience". I applaud the guy for what he did, I doubt he will have any trouble finding affordable legal counsel if this goes to trial. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

11-16-2010, 11:38 AM	#27
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Good. Bring it on. They just signed their own death warrant. So to speak.

11-16-2010, 11:50 AM	#28
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	. . . __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-16-2010, 01:29 PM	#29
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Yeh - keep pissing them off. He's one car accident/gas leak away from disappearing permanently. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-16-2010, 01:42 PM	#30
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	I also read somewhere that in light of the backlash against these more invasive security measures, children under the age of 12 will not be patted down. So no more incidents like shown in the video above in the thread (now removed). Saw a picture recently of an old nun in full habit forced to get up out of her wheel chair to be patted down because she refused to be seen naked on the machine. Disgusting. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

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