I lost you guys for a while!

[HungLikeJesus]

Post 114 is funny regardless.

[DanaC]

That's true. I suspect Jill didn't get as far as the Amish stuff :p

[Jill]

Yeah, after 60 posts of nastiness, I decided not to subject myself to any more. It's not the best reflection of how you guys treat newcomers. But then, I don't know how many posts were made prior to that, that may have led to an observation about that poster that was just taken out on them in that thread.

So anyway, no harm, no foul. I still like all you guys!

[pensive pam]

Originally Posted by Jill

Yeah, after 60 posts of nastiness, I decided not to subject myself to any more. It's not the best reflection of how you guys treat newcomers. But then, I don't know how many posts were made prior to that, that may have led to an observation about that poster that was just taken out on them in that thread.

So anyway, no harm, no foul. I still like all you guys!

There are so people on here who will try to destroy your soul. and people attack me. no reason good. if you read posts, you will soon see. some bad words. some sad things...

Your friend,
Pam.

[Jill]

Everyone gets a first chance with me. So far, you're doing well. I appreciated the warm welcome.



Don't blow it.

[HungLikeJesus]

Pam is a good person, it just took a little while for her to begin to understand Cellar humor.

[pensive pam]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Pam is a good person, it just took a little while for her to begin to understand Cellar humor.

thank you Jesus!!! I know i can always count on you. and my prayars are being answered. we are all one with the community.

Always -
Pam.

[Jill]

Pam, many, many years ago, a young man who was frequently misunderstood because of his sexual orientation, started a thread on a message board I belong to, called "Ask the Gay Guy". It went on for hundreds of pages and everyone learned a LOT! It actually ended up spawning about a hundred "Ask the [fill in the blank]" threads, all of which were very informative.

Why don't you start an "Ask the Hearing Impaired/Deaf Person" thread? It would give people a great opportunity to get to know you better and learn about the world you live in and how it differs from that of hearing people. From the time I was in kindergarten, I grew up with a deaf friend, but I still have questions I'd love to ask your perspective on. Think about it.

[pensive pam]

Originally Posted by Jill

Pam, many, many years ago, a young man who was frequently misunderstood because of his sexual orientation, started a thread on a message board I belong to, called "Ask the Gay Guy". It went on for hundreds of pages and everyone learned a LOT! It actually ended up spawning about a hundred "Ask the [fill in the blank]" threads, all of which were very informative.

Why don't you start an "Ask the Hearing Impaired/Deaf Person" thread? It would give people a great opportunity to get to know you better and learn about the world you live in and how it differs from that of hearing people. From the time I was in kindergarten, I grew up with a deaf friend, but I still have questions I'd love to ask your perspective on. Think about it.

You may ask me whatever you wish. I see you have been studying my posts?? no?? every thread i start gets 'off topic.' people see me as a rag picker and a poor deaf person. those are all true. so now they choose to call me an 'attention whore.' i understand what that word means. people just keep respondng to my posts, when there are so many others to choose from. let me give this new post idea you suggest a thought...

Your Czech friend,
Pam.

[Jill]

Originally Posted by pensive pam

You may ask me whatever you wish. I see you have been studying my posts?? no?? every thread i start gets 'off topic.' people see me as a rag picker and a poor deaf person. those are all true. so now they choose to call me an 'attention whore.' i understand what that word means. people just keep respondng to my posts, when there are so many others to choose from. let me give this new post idea you suggest a thought...

Your Czech friend,
Pam.

Nope, haven't gone hunting down your posts to read. Just what you've posted here and the link HLJ directed me to. I hope to see the new thread soon.

[DanaC]

Pam just to clarify things a little:

Nobody here has any kind of an opinion about whether or not you are poor (ragpicker?), it simply doesn't matter. Nor was anybody really mocking your deafness. They were just picking up on things you said and then feeding that back to you.

For Jill's benefit, I will repeat what has already been said a few times this week. When Pam arrived here she did so in a style that was extremely reminiscent of a very troubled and troubling young lass with the username Starring Emma. This girl caused all sorts of ructions and made a bit of a pain of herself and there was also a slightly uncomfortable sexual overtone with a teenage girl posting provocative pics of herself and soliciting private conversation with male dwellars. To the extent that some people thought she might be a plant to trap online paedos.

Several of Pam's defining posting styles are very similar to Emma's defining posting styles. There are also significant differences.

Emma has been back to the Cellar in another guise and pretending to be someone new. When a new person arrived displaying similar posting styles, and with an opening intro thread that sounded like a piece of roleplay (my Mum's comment when I showed her the thread) or a creative writing project (can't recall who sai dthat), we were naturally suspsicious.

The speed with which drama ensued seemed to confirm that, if this wasn't Emma, it certainly was a troll acting a part.

Even I was pretty convinced about that, and my natural default is to assume veracity and accept at face value until conclusively proved otherwise.

The escalation, for a while seemed to underline that this was an act and as such 'safe' to play with.

I have now changed my position somewhat and returned to my default position. Not all have.

But nobody was actually mocking Pam for being deaf. Nor for being poor. They were mocking what was (and by some still is) perceived to be an acted part, a roleplay. We/They were showing through our/their posts that nobody is fooled.

As is typical in the Cellar that gathered pace and became its own comic meme.

I seriously doubt a single person on this board would actually judge anyone for being poor or deaf. That just wasn't what it was about.

Some of what has been thrown at Pam was in direct response to Pam saying some pretty cruel things to other posters. For example, a poster who had been talking in another thread about wanting to lose weight, was accused by Pam of being ugly and unable to get or keep a man. That's a fairly honed sense of button pushing. And it started extremely early. Long before any momentum gathered behind the recent escapades in here.

Most newcomers who come here do not get jumped on. But most newcomers who come here do not open their engagement with us in a flurry of crisis and misunderstandings.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Some of what has been thrown at Pam was in direct response to Pam saying some pretty cruel things to other posters. For example, a poster who had been talking in another thread about wanting to lose weight, was accused by Pam of being ugly and unable to get or keep a man. That's a fairly honed sense of button pushing. And it started extremely early. Long before any momentum gathered behind the recent escapades in here.

Most newcomers who come here do not get jumped on. But most newcomers who come here do not open their engagement with us in a flurry of crisis and misunderstandings.

That was me!

Welcome back Jill. There is a lot more going on with the PP threads than that one shows, so don't let it fool you.

[pensive pam]

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

That was me!

Welcome back Jill. There is a lot more going on with the PP threads than that one shows, so don't let it full you.

Now THIS??? what else is going on in my 'threads??' may i ask?? not fair to me. and i was going to send 'friend reqeust.; now i will not. i hate myself. have i not be honest???

and now you want to push me over the edge. you want that?
i am happy i have 3 new friends on here,. and now this???

nobody cares.
Pam.

[Jill]

Thanks for the welcome, morethanpretty!

Originally Posted by pensive pam

Now THIS??? what else is going on in my 'threads??' may i ask?? not fair to me. and i was going to send 'friend reqeust.; now i will not. i hate myself. have i not be honest???

and now you want to push me over the edge. you want that?
i am happy i have 3 new friends on here,. and now this???

nobody cares.
Pam.

Remember above when I said not to blow it? You're skating close here. Please leave the melodrama out of my return thread. Thanks ever so much. I appreciate the consideration.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by pensive pam

Now THIS??? what else is going on in my 'threads??' may i ask?? not fair to me. and i was going to send 'friend reqeust.; now i will not. i hate myself. have i not be honest???

and now you want to push me over the edge. you want that?
i am happy i have 3 new friends on here,. and now this???

nobody cares.
Pam.

Pam, please stop doing that. It's an over-reaction. MTP didn't say anything particularly cruel or unkind just now and you blew up in her face. If we are all to be friends, we surely must be able to feel comfortable talking right? We want honesty and easy communication right?

Well, that goes both ways. You yourself have recognised that you sometimes snap, take things very much to heart and post angry and upset messages. When you do that, the person you have snapped at might be left feeling a little hurt. Especially if they hadn;t said anything unkind to provoke it. Your earliest interactions with MTP involved precisely this happening: she said something innocent, you misunderstood and took offense and blew up at her.

You have not been given a warm and enthusiastic welcome. It is understandable that you feel that everything said to you is an attack. But it really isn't. Sometimes it's just an established member of the board giving you advice, or a heads up on how to navigate this complicated little community.

*smiles*

Just chill. Nobody really wishes you ill. People are just having a laugh.