Alternatives to photo editing software POLL - Page 2

infinite monkey · 12-07-2011, 02:52 PM

Occupy Adobe!

kidding...

Undertoad · 12-07-2011, 03:10 PM

A) I would never pay that amount. What I would do instead would be to purchase a long-outdated copy for near zero and then buy an upgrade to CS4 off eBay or CL. The money outcome would be similar, no money to Adobe.

B) Adobe thinks that pirates are a help. For the price they charge, Adobe could easily put together a hardware dongle, if they wanted to completely prevent piracy. Instead, they've put in simple DRM, easy to go around with a little effort. The pirates then become a part of the CS5 infrastructure, and are not developing a support system for the other image programs.

monster · 12-07-2011, 03:31 PM

I can't get to grips with gimp or paint.net either. i was my old stuff back that came with the old digital camera.

belonga me, no moral issue........

Pete Zicato · 12-07-2011, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

For the price they charge, Adobe could easily put together a hardware dongle, if they wanted to completely prevent piracy.

It's a trade off. I did the dongle work for the Russian version of PageMaker back in the day. Adding a dongle adds substantially to the manufacturing costs because each dongle has to be set and each copy of the software has to be modded to match the key in the dongle.

Above and beyond that, your argument is still that you're not hurting the victim that much and the victim isn't bleeding much. Call Adobe and ask if they'd like for you to pay for your copy.

Pete Zicato · 12-07-2011, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

I can't get to grips with gimp or paint.net either. i was my old stuff back that came with the old digital camera.

belonga me, no moral issue........

Do you remember what it was called?

Paint Shop Pro, maybe?

footfootfoot · 12-07-2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The pirates then become a part of the CS5 infrastructure, and are not developing a support system for the other image programs.

What does this mean?

monster · 12-07-2011, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Do you remember what it was called?

Paint Shop Pro, maybe?

that sounds familiar.... beest could tell you, but he's just stepped out to retrieve the mermaid

monster · 12-07-2011, 09:05 PM

No, it wasn't PSP, It came with a Canon camera

Pete Zicato · 12-07-2011, 10:00 PM

Maybe if you called Canon, they would send you another disk?

If not, and if you can't find your disk, Corel has a free 30-day trial of PSP here

http://download.cnet.com/Corel-Paint...-10001995.html

Might be worth trying. The Ultimate version is $50 at amazon.

or as glatt says, you could pick up a gimp book from the library. It really is quite powerful.

monster · 12-07-2011, 10:10 PM

thanks. Beest uses PSP at work and I have used the trial before, it is quite good I think I recall. i will try that trial (if it will let me). Gimp I mostly give up on because it wants to load loads of stuff and takes to long to start up, and then isn't intuitive... I just want to do the cellar advent calendar -I'm no pro!

Undertoad · 12-07-2011, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

What does this mean?

If a product is more expensive, there is more interest in either A) developing a quality free alternative, or B) pirating it.

Therefore: if the product is pirated, there is less interest in developing a quality free alternative.

There's more to it than that; for example, how many blogs offer a tutorial for your image product explaining how to develop nicely rounded edges? Googling for "rounded corners photoshop" = about 617,000 results; "rounded corners gimp" returns about 82,900 results. This is the infrastructure; these represent people trying to do real work in these programs, and creating tutorials and discussing it on forums.

footfootfoot · 12-08-2011, 10:21 AM

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. The untold ways in which the corporations are profiting from our free input.

Gravdigr · 12-12-2011, 04:09 AM

The first time I priced Adobe PhotoShop, I literally laughed out loud.

Later, I was offended.

glatt · 12-12-2011, 08:04 AM

Photoshop was ground breaking when it came out, and I think that it was a reasonable price back then. But with the competition today, there's no reason for it to be that expensive. I got it way back in the day because a full version came bundled with a flatbed scanner I bought. That was back when I had a disposable income and I had no dependents, so dropping $800 on a scanner with bundled Photoshop seemed like a good idea. They were both cutting edge technology back then, and I could easily scan images that were too large for my Mac to handle.

Anyway, today with cheap fast computers, cheap memory, cheap scanners, and free image editing software, it's absurd for Photoshop to be as expensive as it is.

Pete Zicato · 12-12-2011, 09:21 AM

I don't have a problem with Adobe charging what it does for Photoshop. It's a professional tool designed (and priced) for professionals. Most home users don't need Photoshop.

I am, admittedly, at the shallow end of the gene pool when it comes to image editing. Once a year when I create the Zicato family photo Christmas card, I fire up Gimp and muddle through. The rest of the year, I get by just fine with Preview - an app the comes with OSX.

For those with more mid-range needs there are lots of free or low cost alternatives: Paintshop Pro, Pixelmator, etc. A google search for Photoshop alternatives will turn up lots of choices.

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12-07-2011, 03:31 PM	#18
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I can't get to grips with gimp or paint.net either. i was my old stuff back that came with the old digital camera. belonga me, no moral issue........ __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-07-2011, 09:05 PM	#23
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	No, it wasn't PSP, It came with a Canon camera __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-07-2011, 10:00 PM	#24
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Maybe if you called Canon, they would send you another disk? If not, and if you can't find your disk, Corel has a free 30-day trial of PSP here http://download.cnet.com/Corel-Paint...-10001995.html Might be worth trying. The Ultimate version is $50 at amazon. or as glatt says, you could pick up a gimp book from the library. It really is quite powerful. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

12-07-2011, 10:10 PM	#25
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	thanks. Beest uses PSP at work and I have used the trial before, it is quite good I think I recall. i will try that trial (if it will let me). Gimp I mostly give up on because it wants to load loads of stuff and takes to long to start up, and then isn't intuitive... I just want to do the cellar advent calendar -I'm no pro! __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-07-2011, 02:52 PM	#16
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Occupy Adobe! kidding...

12-07-2011, 03:10 PM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	A) I would never pay that amount. What I would do instead would be to purchase a long-outdated copy for near zero and then buy an upgrade to CS4 off eBay or CL. The money outcome would be similar, no money to Adobe. B) Adobe thinks that pirates are a help. For the price they charge, Adobe could easily put together a hardware dongle, if they wanted to completely prevent piracy. Instead, they've put in simple DRM, easy to go around with a little effort. The pirates then become a part of the CS5 infrastructure, and are not developing a support system for the other image programs.

12-08-2011, 10:21 AM	#27
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Ah, that makes a lot of sense. The untold ways in which the corporations are profiting from our free input. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

12-12-2011, 04:09 AM	#28
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	The first time I priced Adobe PhotoShop, I literally laughed out loud. Later, I was offended. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

12-12-2011, 08:04 AM	#29
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Photoshop was ground breaking when it came out, and I think that it was a reasonable price back then. But with the competition today, there's no reason for it to be that expensive. I got it way back in the day because a full version came bundled with a flatbed scanner I bought. That was back when I had a disposable income and I had no dependents, so dropping $800 on a scanner with bundled Photoshop seemed like a good idea. They were both cutting edge technology back then, and I could easily scan images that were too large for my Mac to handle. Anyway, today with cheap fast computers, cheap memory, cheap scanners, and free image editing software, it's absurd for Photoshop to be as expensive as it is.

12-12-2011, 09:21 AM	#30
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	I don't have a problem with Adobe charging what it does for Photoshop. It's a professional tool designed (and priced) for professionals. Most home users don't need Photoshop. I am, admittedly, at the shallow end of the gene pool when it comes to image editing. Once a year when I create the Zicato family photo Christmas card, I fire up Gimp and muddle through. The rest of the year, I get by just fine with Preview - an app the comes with OSX. For those with more mid-range needs there are lots of free or low cost alternatives: Paintshop Pro, Pixelmator, etc. A google search for Photoshop alternatives will turn up lots of choices. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

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