3/15/2003: Airport security's taken items - Page 2

Drydock · 03-17-2003, 09:51 PM

"I think they should have a little post-office at the security screening area ... overcharge you for a puffy envelope to mail stuff like this to yourself. "

Up here, we have exactly that, for a gigantic mark-up of course. My mom had to send her Swiss Army Card to herself. They let her leave the screening area, so she walked to the real post office in the terminal and sent it home for a third the cost. (i guess they have to pay some 14 year old kid to carry it from security to the drop box.)

juju · 03-17-2003, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
Dunno what you're all worked up about, Juju ... the fantasy of seeing large people sucked through tiny holes is still fun, even if it's only a fantasy ...

Sorry, perhaps I misread! I was under the impression that NBN thought the Goldfinger scene was reality.

wolf · 03-17-2003, 10:00 PM

juju ... I think he thinks that's how it works too ... which was why I looked up the "how it really works" stuff ...

mebbe i should have highlighted the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags on my post??

juju · 03-17-2003, 10:26 PM

Well, in that case I guess it's my turn to have missed the joke. :)

slang · 03-17-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Nothing But Net

It's the OK Corral in the sky folks!

I know this seems to contradict what we have all been told and taught in this culture, but carrying firearms actually reduces violence in 2 ways.

I carry a legally purchased handgun for my own protection and amusement. I wear it like most people wear shoes. It goes with me everywhere I can legally take it, and it is ready to defend my life at a moment's notice. As a CCW holder (permit to carry holder) I see this as normal. It is a huge responsibility and I accept it by modifying my thought process and habits to carry a handgun safely and legally. The absolute *last* thing I want to do is harm someone unintentionally with a firearm and the second to the last thing I want is to be killed or injured by a criminal or dog because I didn't have the ability to defend myself in a life or death situation.

In my pre 911 life, I would travel extensively throughout the eastern US. Many times at night. Before I made the committment to carry, I would not stop to help anyone that may be in distress for fear of eanding up in some crazy guys chipper , or something nuts like that. There was one time that I didn't stop for a man I nearly hit in the highway as he was flagging me down to stop after his car had apparently caught fire. I didn't dare stop, I was alone, afraid, and far from home. I wouldn't have stopped for anyone. Then I started taking the pistol with me. I had no fears of being killed and when I saw someone that needed help at least would stop to see what the trouble was. I have also run into dangerous people on the road. The handgun is a great insurance policy if you accept the responsibility. The overwhelming majority of "good folks" do. If they didn't we would hear nothing *BUT* gun tragedies and crime stories 24/7, tens of millions of people use them to aid society every single day.

It is also true, despite what you may have seen in movies or imagine in your own mind, that gun folks are the first to *avoid* trouble. We are actually trained in how *NOT* to escalate situations to shooting battles. We don't want to shoot, brandish or brag. We dont want to be dead either, which is often the only option for victims. It is truely the fact that I *can* wipe out the entire nieghborhood that allows me to evade true physical confrontation. My fight or flight adrenaline is not racing through my system, I know if we fight, you'll be dead. I also know that I don't want to go to jail, which a criminal is not as likely to really be concerned with, probably having been there before many times. A fight is the last thing I want, for me and for you. I don't know any OK corral gunslingers because they don't have guns long, they do something stupid and go to jail or lose their guns.

I have actually even been in arguments with people while wearing a handgun. The way you deal with people is different when you carry a gun though. I have never pulled it out in anger or rage. Only one time in 3 years has my handgun cleared leather , and that was because a homeless guy used very bad judgement and startled me in a strange city. No, I didnt shoot him , I helped him. But if I had been afraid, I probably would not have felt safe enough to do so. So, my having a handgun made a small difference to a homeless man in distress. This happens more times than you will ever know. Guns save lives. Guns allow people to do the right thing without fear.

There are men and women in my family that carry regularly. We've never shot anyone. Thank God, we haven't had to.

So, when people talk about the old west and the OK corral, I just think of all the guns around me right now, and the friends I have that carry, and the places we go. I don't understand where they get the notion that there would be shooting in the streets like the olds days when people carry guns. It's a complete mystery to me, I've never seen that happen and I have a *lot* of guns and have gone a *lot* of places with people that have them. It's a silly notion. Maybe someday we can erase this nonsense from people's minds. Maybe then we can eliminate the bullshit we have going on at airports then too, and let the good guys protect us all by protecting themselves.

(slang's eyes lighten as he kisses his defensive handgun goodnight)

Nothing But Net · 03-17-2003, 10:51 PM

I was kidding about Goldfinger. I know that isn't what would really happen.

Most of you know I am not anti-gun. Hell, I own one.

But do you honestly think it would be a good idea to allow the general public to carry guns onto planes (CCL or not)?

juju · 03-17-2003, 10:59 PM

Sure, having a gun makes you feel safe. But does it actually make you safe? Isn't it possible for someone to subdue you before you have a chance to draw your gun? Isn't it possible for them to then take your gun from you and kill you with it?

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by juju
Isn't it possible for them to then take your gun from you and kill you with it?

They dont know where it is and *I* do. Also, it is true that police officers are targetted for the handguns, but a citizen with a ccw does not advertise nor is generally required to get close enough for a perp to swipe it. That's *another* gun myth put out by the antis.

If for some reason one got away from me , I have a backup.

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Nothing But Net
But do you honestly think it would be a good idea to allow the general public to carry guns onto planes (CCL or not)?

I do but I do understand I do not share that level of confidence with the general population*. If ccw holders were all like me and all the holders I know, I would support it highly. This society would never allow it though because the general pop doesn't have a handgun or shoot regularly, so they only can judge the situation by the BS we hear in the media about people not being capable and trustworthy enough to carry guns. It's sad, because the whole security thing could be solved through citizen carry, without any extra costs. Thosands of airline people with lose their jobs through the loss of business because the gen pop is afraid of the *lawful* use of firearms.

* except maybe Texas.

wolf · 03-17-2003, 11:49 PM

Despite the numbers of times that the million moms and the Brady Campaign people tell us that happens (evil criminals disarming and then killing poor hapless homeowners with their own guns), it basically really DOESN'T. That's one of the Myths ...

"According to FL State Univ. criminologist Gary Kleck, US Citizens use guns to defend themselves from criminals about 1 million times per year. In 98% of those cases, no shots are fired. The criminal flees at the mere sight of the gun. Citizens only have to shoot their attackers in only 2% of the cases. In only 1% of defensive gun uses do attackers manage to take the gun away from the victim."

(From The Seven Myths of Gun Control - Richard Poe (2001))

juju · 03-18-2003, 12:03 AM

You know, Hitler carried guns..

wolf · 03-18-2003, 12:17 AM

Hitler also liked German Shepherd Dogs, and was charming around small children.

And for the most part, he only carried guns when he was serving in the German Army in WWI. I've seen a lot of pictures, and while Hitler is often shown in uniform, he rarely, if ever, has a sidearm.

Nazi Germany was one of the first "modern" nations to pursue gun control, registration, and ultimately confiscation.

German Firearms Law

Version for everyone other than me and Dave

"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" --Adolf Hitler

juju · 03-18-2003, 12:18 AM

I swear I found a buncha sites that said that quote was false, though. Hmm.. where are they?

Ah, here's one:

http://www.urbanlegends.com/politics...n_control.html

Hey, what else did Hitler do? Oh, that's right! Spread propaganda!

wolf · 03-18-2003, 12:24 AM

well how about that. The JPFO FAQ addresses just that very question. They state that the "This year will go down in history" quote cannot be verified.

But they do provide a MUCH better, verified quote about taking arms away from the "subject races".

wolf · 03-18-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by juju
Hey, what else did Hitler do? Oh, that's right! Spread propaganda!

You forgot "made trains run on time" and "assisted in design of Volkswagen"

03-17-2003, 09:51 PM	#16
Drydock Lead Subordinate Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 15	Canada Post post "I think they should have a little post-office at the security screening area ... overcharge you for a puffy envelope to mail stuff like this to yourself. " Up here, we have exactly that, for a gigantic mark-up of course. My mom had to send her Swiss Army Card to herself. They let her leave the screening area, so she walked to the real post office in the terminal and sent it home for a third the cost. (i guess they have to pay some 14 year old kid to carry it from security to the drop box.)

03-17-2003, 10:00 PM	#18
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	juju ... I think he thinks that's how it works too ... which was why I looked up the "how it really works" stuff ... mebbe i should have highlighted the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags on my post?? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-17-2003, 11:49 PM	#25
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Despite the numbers of times that the million moms and the Brady Campaign people tell us that happens (evil criminals disarming and then killing poor hapless homeowners with their own guns), it basically really DOESN'T. That's one of the Myths ... "According to FL State Univ. criminologist Gary Kleck, US Citizens use guns to defend themselves from criminals about 1 million times per year. In 98% of those cases, no shots are fired. The criminal flees at the mere sight of the gun. Citizens only have to shoot their attackers in only 2% of the cases. In only 1% of defensive gun uses do attackers manage to take the gun away from the victim." (From The Seven Myths of Gun Control - Richard Poe (2001)) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2003, 12:17 AM	#27
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Hitler also liked German Shepherd Dogs, and was charming around small children. And for the most part, he only carried guns when he was serving in the German Army in WWI. I've seen a lot of pictures, and while Hitler is often shown in uniform, he rarely, if ever, has a sidearm. Nazi Germany was one of the first "modern" nations to pursue gun control, registration, and ultimately confiscation. German Firearms Law Version for everyone other than me and Dave "This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" --Adolf Hitler __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2003, 12:18 AM	#28
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I swear I found a buncha sites that said that quote was false, though. Hmm.. where are they? Ah, here's one: http://www.urbanlegends.com/politics...n_control.html Hey, what else did Hitler do? Oh, that's right! Spread propaganda! Last edited by juju; 03-18-2003 at 12:21 AM.

03-17-2003, 10:26 PM	#19
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Well, in that case I guess it's my turn to have missed the joke. :)

03-17-2003, 10:51 PM	#21
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	I was kidding about Goldfinger. I know that isn't what would really happen. Most of you know I am not anti-gun. Hell, I own one. But do you honestly think it would be a good idea to allow the general public to carry guns onto planes (CCL or not)?

03-17-2003, 10:59 PM	#22
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Sure, having a gun makes you feel safe. But does it actually make you safe? Isn't it possible for someone to subdue you before you have a chance to draw your gun? Isn't it possible for them to then take your gun from you and kill you with it?

03-18-2003, 12:03 AM	#26
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	You know, Hitler carried guns..

03-18-2003, 12:24 AM	#29
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	well how about that. The JPFO FAQ addresses just that very question. They state that the "This year will go down in history" quote cannot be verified. But they do provide a MUCH better, verified quote about taking arms away from the "subject races". __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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