Iraq

[classicman]

Lying under oath is serious.

Agreed.

But only for serious matters, only for significant matters.

Bullshit. You can take this to the Nth degree, but it matters - without qualifiers.

[BigV]

Ok, fine.

It's serious in direct proportion to the significance of the question.

The significance of this question was solely to shame, embarrass and humiliate the president. I stand by my earlier remarks that a better, and truthful answer to the question would be "None of your business."

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

...

Thank goodness we have a Glorious Leader. He follows a great tradition:

Income Tax will never be more than 3% of anyone's income: FDR

Social Security will be in a trust fund and cannot be spent by the government: FDR

I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". Bill Clinton

"Saddam Hussein has yellow cake uranium" GW Bush

"I don't recall" Ronald Reagan about Iran/Contra

"I am not a crook" Richard Nixon

The only thing worse than someone who changes his mind, when presented with additional information, is someone who doesn't

[Big Sarge]

I'll quit kidding around and get to the point. We should not interfere in a religious based conflict in Syria and Iraq. ISIS is not a threat to the US. Also, the government of Iraq made it quite clear they did want US troops when they refused to sign a status of forces agreement.

If we halt our meddling in the attempted establishment of a caliphate, ISIS will soon reach the Shia holy sites in Karbala. Either this or an attack on Baghdad will trigger an armed response by Iran. Thus ISIS and Iran will move into a mutual destruction scenario and greatly reduce the ability of either to project outside of SW Asia.

WWI was mentioned earlier in this thread. I am more than willing to debate the actions of President Wilson and manipulation of the media that drew us into the war. I see the issue of the RMS Lusitania has been thrown up. Don't forget Germany had warned Britain and the Lusitania was transporting munitions and sub components. Germany gave this warning prior to the sinking:

Notice!
Travellers intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk.
Imperial German Embassy
Washington, D.C. 22 April 1915

[Big Sarge]

Spexxvet - You are aware Iraq had 550 tons of yellow cake uranium stockpiled? In 2008, the US facilitated the transfer to Canada. Also prior to the OIF, Italian military intelligence created false reports of attempts by Iraq to purchase yellow cake from Niger. These reports were fed to the US on at least three separate occasions and to Great Britain, thus creating a second source falsely verified by allied intelligence agencies.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Spexxvet - You are aware Iraq had 550 tons of yellow cake uranium stockpiled? In 2008, the US facilitated the transfer to Canada. Also prior to the OIF, Italian military intelligence created false reports of attempts by Iraq to purchase yellow cake from Niger. These reports were fed to the US on at least three separate occasions and to Great Britain, thus creating a second source falsely verified by allied intelligence agencies.

I trust snopes.com, who reports that the yellow cake, of which you speak, was not WMD, it was reactor-grade uranium, stored (and under UN supervision) since 1991. There was no need to lose 3,000+ Amercians and add trillions to the national debt for that.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I trust snopes.com, who reports that the yellow cake, of which you speak, was not WMD, it was reactor-grade uranium, stored (and under UN supervision) since 1991. There was no need to lose 3,000+ Amercians and add trillions to the national debt for that.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

Yellowcake (urania) is yellowcake. It has to be refined to be used as fuel or WMD. BTW, Snopes is not the end all authenticator. It's a couple of people using Google

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Yellowcake (urania) is yellowcake.

And it has been under the supervision of the UN since king george I.