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Pico and ME · 01-11-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

The question is who defines evil? A toddler thinks it's evil when his mother doesn't let him eat ice cream for breakfast, but from our perspective we can see he is wrong. From God's perspective maybe human suffering and death aren't really as bad as we think they are, because there is more going on than we can understand with our immature little brains.

It was and is those immature brains that conceive of a God Almighty, in the first place.

Gravdigr · 01-12-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

It was and is those immature brains that conceive of a God Almighty, in the first place.

You just said that you believe that you are superior to the vast majority of people on Earth.

Wow.

Happy Monkey · 01-12-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

You just said that you believe that you are superior to the vast majority of people on Earth.

You didn't read/understand the post that Pico and ME was responding to.

Gravdigr · 01-13-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You didn't read/understand the post that Pico and ME was responding to.

Just in case that's the case, I went back and re-read the post that she quoted in her post. I think I understand it well enough.

But just in case that wasn't the case, I re-read the entire thread.

I stand by everything I've said.

Happy Monkey · 01-11-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

The question is who defines evil? A toddler thinks it's evil when his mother doesn't let him eat ice cream for breakfast, but from our perspective we can see he is wrong. From God's perspective maybe human suffering and death aren't really as bad as we think they are, because there is more going on than we can understand with our immature little brains.

The argument doesn't pend on the definition of evil, just the existence, which religions generally assume.

Gravdigr · 01-13-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

From God's perspective maybe human suffering and death aren't really as bad as we think they are, because there is more going on than we can understand with our immature little brains.

You and I may not agree on what Clod was saying.

Maybe I misunderstood what Clod was saying.

Maybe you misunderstood what Clod was saying.

Happy Monkey · 01-13-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

You and I may not agree on what Clod was saying.

And from any perspective, the same immature brains that are incapable of comprehending God's purposes are the same ones that invented religion.

Clodfobble · 01-11-2015, 01:45 PM

I don't equate religion with God, myself.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-11-2015, 01:50 PM

I am evil, hear me roar. Meow.

Happy Monkey · 01-11-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I don't equate religion with God, myself.

Do you not think there is evil in the world?

tw · 01-11-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I don't equate religion with God, myself.

That is a new perspective. Please expand on it.

Clodfobble · 01-11-2015, 03:37 PM

It's a loaded word. I think there are things in the world which are less than good. But those things are also necessary to existence. Tragedy can make us stronger. Struggle gives us purpose. Loss makes us grateful for what we still have. Any advancement has to presuppose a less-than-ideal situation to begin with. There is evil, but in the long run it's good for us.

Happy Monkey · 01-12-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

It's a loaded word. I think there are things in the world which are less than good. But those things are also necessary to existence. Tragedy can make us stronger. Struggle gives us purpose. Loss makes us grateful for what we still have. Any advancement has to presuppose a less-than-ideal situation to begin with. There is evil, but in the long run it's good for us.

That's how it works in movies; add people to the story whose purpose is to die, sometimes horribly, so the hero gains motivation.

In scriptwriting, it's a bit lazy and cliched. Doing it with actual people would be malevolent.

Clodfobble · 01-11-2015, 10:51 PM

God is God. Religion is rules people try to make about God.

Striving to understand God is laudable; believing one has even come close to doing so is laughable. But the toddler analogy holds--most of it is as harmless as it is petty, like watching children on a playground figure out for themselves how to deal with each other and the world. It's good for the toddlers to learn how to pretend, and feel, and search for answers, and militant atheists are like the six-year-old rolling his eyes at the dumb babies. The six-year-old doesn't know shit either, but the adults don't hold that against him.

lumberjim · 01-11-2015, 10:55 PM

The 90 year old's are nearly as ignant, relative to God scale. I agree. We have no idea what we don't know.

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01-11-2015, 01:50 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I am evil, hear me roar. Meow. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-11-2015, 03:37 PM	#12
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	It's a loaded word. I think there are things in the world which are less than good. But those things are also necessary to existence. Tragedy can make us stronger. Struggle gives us purpose. Loss makes us grateful for what we still have. Any advancement has to presuppose a less-than-ideal situation to begin with. There is evil, but in the long run it's good for us. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-11-2015, 10:51 PM	#14
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	God is God. Religion is rules people try to make about God. Striving to understand God is laudable; believing one has even come close to doing so is laughable. But the toddler analogy holds--most of it is as harmless as it is petty, like watching children on a playground figure out for themselves how to deal with each other and the world. It's good for the toddlers to learn how to pretend, and feel, and search for answers, and militant atheists are like the six-year-old rolling his eyes at the dumb babies. The six-year-old doesn't know shit either, but the adults don't hold that against him. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-11-2015, 10:55 PM	#15
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	The 90 year old's are nearly as ignant, relative to God scale. I agree. We have no idea what we don't know. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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