The next war thread - Page 2

juju · 03-23-2003, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by sycamore
How are Australians feeling about this war in general?

There's an article about this over at Kuro5hin. Sounds like they're pretty annoyed about it, to me. Although there are only 2000 of their troops there. I also read something about a measure being passed to bring their troops back.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/20/9125/66826
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/det...ews&m=3&y=2003

Uryoces · 03-23-2003, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by tw
The point was to demonstrate how one can become accused of supporting terrorists without even trying. And to demonstrate what the Saudis have discovered which I believe has not been reported domestically. Yes, anyone can become a terrorist without even trying.

Damn! No more weed for me!

If you mean the Saudi Government is corrupt, yes I do believe it is.

Undertoad · 03-23-2003, 03:11 PM

Items:

Two early rumoresque reports of discoveries of chem plant/weapons. The reports are too early to take seriously but one of them was in the Jerusalem Post with an awful lot of detail.

The missiles fired into Kuwait were not SCUDs after all. Blix off the hook...? no, they were more of those rockets that were not allowed to travel that far. Remember tw's note about *loaded* missiles not being able to fly further than the allowed range? These were loaded, and flew further than the allowed range.

jaguar · 03-23-2003, 03:58 PM

Plenty of protests, plenty of anger. It's impossible to know whether the majority support it or not, i think that'll depend on how many die - on both sides.

I've barely being following the war, tad too busy at the moment but i keep getting the feeling we're not being told the whole story all these reports of 'combat casulaties', 'stiff resistance' etc which them seem to somehow dissipate. I'm just curious to see what happens when they hit Bagdhad.

The Iraqi military leader dude saying something like 'we're not afrid we're not going to lose' just as a massive explosion blew in the curtain behind him and made him flinch was funny.

I heard something about finding a bunker or two of rockets and warheads, no NBC talk though. I'm still waiting for the drinking buddy photos of Bin Laden and Saddam

*shrugs* I'm not bothering with the protests - it's like protesting cloning or GM, it's happened, it's not going to go away, deal with it, move on, adapt, reaim. Save the wales dude, peace.

Undertoad · 03-23-2003, 07:30 PM

Item #1 above - the Jerusalem Post article now has legs as a "senior Pentagon official" confirmed it to Fox.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81935,00.html

A chemical weapons plant. 100 acres in size, camoflaged from the air to look like desert, booby-trapped, surrounded by an electrical fence, and protected by an Iraqi unit that included a General. Sounds like they wanted to protect something.

jaguar · 03-23-2003, 07:37 PM

100 acres is pretty damn big.
War seems to be going ok, i do feel sorry for the US POWs though. I think the problem is going to be eliminating those gurilla type Iraqi guys, it's not going to be easy.

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by jaguar
*shrugs* I'm not bothering with the protests - it's like protesting cloning or GM, it's happened, it's not going to go away, deal with it, move on, adapt, reaim. Save the wales dude, peace.

I didn't realize Wales was in jeopardy...we better tell Prince Charles.

slang · 03-23-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
I didn't realize Wales was in jeopardy..

Yer a real ass, but yer funny.

(using spelling errors to bust on someone is even too low to use on Jag..........well, maybe not)

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 09:55 PM

Nah, I like jag...that's why I bust his chops all the time. Just like I bust your chops, inbreeder.

tw · 03-23-2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
Remember tw's note about *loaded* missiles not being able to fly further than the allowed range? These were loaded, and flew further than the allowed range.

Al Saoud missiles only flew 100 miles. Since all that land up to just north of Basara (100 miles) is now dominated by Anglo/American forces, the Iraqis would need Scuds to attack Kuwait. Because the Al Saoud are such short range missiles, then Israel was way to far for attack. Either Iraqis are not using hidden Scuds or they have no missiles to fire. Kuwait has no missile attacks once those first 100 miles were invaded - the range of Al Saoud missiles.

They could only fly either just below or just above 150 kilometers which is arguementative nonsense. Did they fly farther than 150 kilometers? Split hairs because Al Saoud range was that irrelevant - unless one is despearate for an excuse to start a war. Once Basara was surrounded, the Al Saoud missile's limited 150 kilometer range (+ or - 10 kilometers) made it useless to attack Kuwait.

Undertoad · 03-23-2003, 10:17 PM

Update to the update to the item: the Pentagon has retracted its confirmation. It wants to investigate further before making any official statements.

Ugh. News is flying too fast right now. Time to settle back a bit...

elSicomoro · 03-23-2003, 10:29 PM

I take periodic breaks on the news. I have to, otherwise, I get burned out by it. From what I've seen thus far, the news changes every 2-6 hours, with some exceptions.

warch · 03-24-2003, 01:26 PM

Media wars. What do you know? What do you show? Looking for what's going on I found this blogger listed on a Swiss news site. embedded. truth? fiction? its interesting. Baghdad blog

tw · 03-25-2003, 08:12 PM

After posting, Kuwait was attacked by three missiles. Listed were Frog and Ababil missiles. Frog, I thought, was an anti-ship missile that operates like a cruise missile - not a ballistic missile - and does not do well against surface targets. Never heard of Ababil before. These were launched from somewhere west of American supply lines towards the Saudi border. No Saoud missiles have been launched into Kuwait since the first days.

Also rather interesting is that Iraq so far has not launched any radar guided anti-aircraft missiles. Iraq continually sent such equipment into the No-fly zones to test them against American airplanes in years before this war. You can bet that once the attack on Baghdad actually begins, what Iraq has learned will be attempted against US and British aircraft - as a surprise tactic.

And then there is confusion. One American pilot thought he was being painted by Iraqi anti-aircraft radar. He took it out. Turns out he attacked and destroyed a Patriot anti-missile battery.

Unfortunately too little news is being provided.

juju · 03-25-2003, 09:19 PM

Tw, how do you filter through all the confusing nonsense and actually come up with an understandable reconstruction of all this stuff?

03-23-2003, 03:58 PM	#19
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Plenty of protests, plenty of anger. It's impossible to know whether the majority support it or not, i think that'll depend on how many die - on both sides. I've barely being following the war, tad too busy at the moment but i keep getting the feeling we're not being told the whole story all these reports of 'combat casulaties', 'stiff resistance' etc which them seem to somehow dissipate. I'm just curious to see what happens when they hit Bagdhad. The Iraqi military leader dude saying something like 'we're not afrid we're not going to lose' just as a massive explosion blew in the curtain behind him and made him flinch was funny. I heard something about finding a bunker or two of rockets and warheads, no NBC talk though. I'm still waiting for the drinking buddy photos of Bin Laden and Saddam shrugs I'm not bothering with the protests - it's like protesting cloning or GM, it's happened, it's not going to go away, deal with it, move on, adapt, reaim. Save the wales dude, peace. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-23-2003, 07:37 PM	#21
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	100 acres is pretty damn big. War seems to be going ok, i do feel sorry for the US POWs though. I think the problem is going to be eliminating those gurilla type Iraqi guys, it's not going to be easy. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-23-2003, 03:11 PM	#18
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Items: Two early rumoresque reports of discoveries of chem plant/weapons. The reports are too early to take seriously but one of them was in the Jerusalem Post with an awful lot of detail. The missiles fired into Kuwait were not SCUDs after all. Blix off the hook...? no, they were more of those rockets that were not allowed to travel that far. Remember tw's note about loaded missiles not being able to fly further than the allowed range? These were loaded, and flew further than the allowed range.

03-23-2003, 07:30 PM	#20
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Item #1 above - the Jerusalem Post article now has legs as a "senior Pentagon official" confirmed it to Fox. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81935,00.html A chemical weapons plant. 100 acres in size, camoflaged from the air to look like desert, booby-trapped, surrounded by an electrical fence, and protected by an Iraqi unit that included a General. Sounds like they wanted to protect something.

03-23-2003, 09:55 PM	#24
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Nah, I like jag...that's why I bust his chops all the time. Just like I bust your chops, inbreeder.

03-23-2003, 10:17 PM	#26
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Update to the update to the item: the Pentagon has retracted its confirmation. It wants to investigate further before making any official statements. Ugh. News is flying too fast right now. Time to settle back a bit...

03-23-2003, 10:29 PM	#27
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I take periodic breaks on the news. I have to, otherwise, I get burned out by it. From what I've seen thus far, the news changes every 2-6 hours, with some exceptions.

03-24-2003, 01:26 PM	#28
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Media wars. What do you know? What do you show? Looking for what's going on I found this blogger listed on a Swiss news site. embedded. truth? fiction? its interesting. Baghdad blog

03-25-2003, 08:12 PM	#29
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	After posting, Kuwait was attacked by three missiles. Listed were Frog and Ababil missiles. Frog, I thought, was an anti-ship missile that operates like a cruise missile - not a ballistic missile - and does not do well against surface targets. Never heard of Ababil before. These were launched from somewhere west of American supply lines towards the Saudi border. No Saoud missiles have been launched into Kuwait since the first days. Also rather interesting is that Iraq so far has not launched any radar guided anti-aircraft missiles. Iraq continually sent such equipment into the No-fly zones to test them against American airplanes in years before this war. You can bet that once the attack on Baghdad actually begins, what Iraq has learned will be attempted against US and British aircraft - as a surprise tactic. And then there is confusion. One American pilot thought he was being painted by Iraqi anti-aircraft radar. He took it out. Turns out he attacked and destroyed a Patriot anti-missile battery. Unfortunately too little news is being provided.

03-25-2003, 09:19 PM	#30
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Tw, how do you filter through all the confusing nonsense and actually come up with an understandable reconstruction of all this stuff?

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