Another positive step by my native state into the modern age...

[Elspode]

If I understand correctly, the Glock has a handle squeeze safety mechanism? Cool. Less shit to think about under pressure.

[warch]

I still don't buy it. I still think bearing concealed handguns is not a stabilizing force. I know you could shoot off your nads or the nads of an innocent bystander if you just applied yourself.

[OnyxCougar]

I am in love with my Ruger P-89 (.9mm). His name is "Baby."

[warch]

Remember: "Baby" is a tool, only.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I got an email at work mentioning the change in Missouri carry laws and reminding employees that the permit is not valid on company property.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I just got an email from a friend that works at Jefferson Hospital. In his words he made "one or two little jokes about 9mm and the US acceptance of the metric system or 9mm and administrative reorganization" and he's now on administrative leave pending a report from a shrink and a therapist.
Take heed kiddies, the world has no sense of humor when it comes to guns.

[Whit]

      The only time I've ever been bothered at the idea of someone having a gun was when a woman, that was on medication (both legal and illegal), walked in on a gun discussion and said she was going to get one. Politely one of the guys asked what kind of gun she intended to get, her reply was, "35 mm". We looked at each other for a minute, well a couple of us may have chuckled a bit. Finally the guy asks, "You mean a camera?" She say, "No, a gun, a 35mm."
      I really hope she never got a gun...

[wolf]

Originally posted by Elspode
If I understand correctly, the Glock has a handle squeeze safety mechanism? Cool. Less shit to think about under pressure.

Nope. The glock does NOT have a grip safety (that's the kind that requires that you be squeezing the grip with sufficient pressure to disable a safety interlock.

When people talk about there being no "external safety" on a Glock, that just means that there is not a separate safety switch on the weapon that needs to be disabled in order for it to fire.

The three Glock Safeties are ...

The firing pin safety (mechanically prevents the firing pin from moving forward and striking the primer of a round unless the trigger is engaged)

The drop safety (Glocks can be dropped from a great height and will not fire. This is a problem with many guns. It was one of the design requirements of the German Army for whom the Glock was originally designed. Prior to bidding this military contract, Glock did NOT make firearms. They made shovels, knives, and other amazing doo-dads out of plastics. Their 17th product was the first Glock pistol, and this is why the first 9mm Full Size Glock was designated the Glock-17, in case you were wondering. The Glock-18 is one that you will rarely see in this country ... it's the one with the selective fire switch. A full auto pistol, yes indeedy! Uses a 30 round magazine. The Glock you saw in Terminator 3 was a representation of an actual production weapon, not mere Hollywood fakery.)

The trigger safety (this is a little lever on the trigger itself that is depressed along with the trigger when you fire the pistol. if you attempt to activate the trigger without having this lever also depressed, the gun won't fire. Yes, I have tested this — it's recommended as part of cleaning/PM. It really, really works.)

Basically, as with any firearm, you oughtn't be pointing it at anything you don't want to put a hole through.

Although they have developed a "reputation" Glocks are actually a lot safer with respect to accidental discharges than a lot of other firearms. It's not unusual to carry a Glock with a chambered round, meaning, all you need to do is draw and fire, without having to first rack the slide to chamber a round.

You can check out the information on the Glock website.

[wolf]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I got an email at work mentioning the change in Missouri carry laws and reminding employees that the permit is not valid on company property.

Technically I would think that it's valid, it's just against company policy ... any business can establish codes of behavior/conduct for it's at-will or contracted employees. Violation of those policies may include termination, of course.

Retail sales locations and other businesses may make restrictions regarding concealed carry on their premises, however, what's often misunderstood is that unless you do something further to violate a law (like refusing to leave the premises if it's discovered that you're carrying so that you are then trespassing) you can't be charged with anything.

Some types of businesses are covered by state or federal statutes that restrict concealed carry. Carrying in such locations (courthouses, schools, federal property (i.e., the post office and federal parks), and in some states businesses which sell alcohol for consumption on the premises) can result in criminal charges.

[Elspode]

True enough, Wolf. I believe the new Missouri statute prohibits carry inside schools, churches, college campuses, and a bunch of other select locations, unless you are a duly licensed officer of the law.

Not sure of the exact limitations, but I know there are some.

[wolf]

Originally posted by warch
I still don't buy it. I still think bearing concealed handguns is not a stabilizing force. I know you could shoot off your nads or the nads of an innocent bystander if you just applied yourself.

Kennesaw, GA, is a unique town. They have an ordinance which requires that the head of every household own a firearm. (there is information about this on the town's own website (http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/History.aspx)

The crime rate is significantly lower than other towns in the same county.

http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/PoliceDepa...tatistics.aspx

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Am...e_plummets.htm

The experience of most communities with shall issue concealed carry laws has been a reduction in crime rates.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Minnesota and now Missouri.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Technically I would think that it's valid, it's just against company policy ...

Yes, I was abbreviating.

[Whit]

      Abbreviating? Why? Late for a hot date? Hope you've learned your lesson.

[russotto]

Even gangbangers doing "waistband carry" with cheap-shit guns rarely blow their own nads off. It's really not going to happen unless you were already working on qualifying for a Darwin Award.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by Whit
      Abbreviating? Why? Late for a hot date? Hope you've learned your lesson.

I'm so ashamed.