The Pussification of the Western Male - Page 2

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by perth

asshole.

you have no idea

please don't take that personally, perth. I have a very weak resistance for that kind of thing....I know it's obvious and immature, but, hey...I AM a man.

Oh, by the way, are you wearing a pastel colored sweater right now?

perth · 11-06-2003, 05:34 PM

Oh I don't take it personally at all. Don't worry about it. Obvious and immature describe all my favourite jokes.

OnyxCougar · 11-06-2003, 05:38 PM

Webster online
Macho: (adj) characterized by Machismo. (noun) one who exhibits machismo.

Machismo= 1 : a strong sense of masculine pride : an exaggerated masculinity

Feminism: 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

So, a man is macho if he has pride in masculinity, but if a woman is a feminist, she is seeking equality. So what is a woman who has pride in her femininity?

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:43 PM

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So, a man is macho if he has pride in masculinity, but if a woman is a feminist, she is seeking equality. So what is a woman who has pride in her femininity?
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a lesbian!

be-bop · 11-06-2003, 05:48 PM

Whats wrong is that we have let the PC gestapo get away with it for too long.Can't smoke in bars.you have to be a New age man.
Fuckin' bollocks Men And women are Different our genes are different,our thought processes are not the same we have evolved to do different jobs.thats how we have not become extinct yet.But we will if we let them get away with it any longer.
I'm sorry but I don't want to make friends with my female side .
Its time to just say no.enough is enough.

By the way my wife say's I can reply to this Thread.(This Time)..

xoxoxoBruce · 11-06-2003, 05:48 PM

Perth, I'm your counterpoint. You described me pretty well with "I was impatient, intolerant, arrogant and basically everything your machoman stereotype conjures."
As I got older (matured) and wiser (209 on the hell test) I didn't like me, so I evolved. My ex went out and found the type I had been, but that's OK. I like me better now. I can't go back.

As for the article, he makes some good points but blows his credibility all to hell with some outrageous claims.

Uryoces · 11-06-2003, 05:49 PM

Darn you Lumberjim!!! You made milk come out of my nose! I haven't drunk any milk in a year! :p

xoxoxoBruce · 11-06-2003, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnyxCougar

Webster online
Macho: (adj) characterized by Machismo. (noun) one who exhibits machismo.

Machismo= 1 : a strong sense of masculine pride : an exaggerated masculinity

Feminism: 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

So, a man is macho if he has pride in masculinity, but if a woman is a feminist, she is seeking equality. So what is a woman who has pride in her femininity?

The word is muliebrity.

OnyxCougar · 11-06-2003, 06:01 PM

Webster's online

Main Entry: mu·li·eb·ri·ty
Pronunciation: "myü-lE-'e-br&-tE
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin muliebritat-, muliebritas, from Latin muliebris of a woman, from mulier woman
Date: 1592
: FEMININITY

...... nuh uh!!!

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uryoces
Darn you Lumberjim!!! You made milk come out of my nose! I haven't drunk any milk in a year! :p

you sure that's milk?

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 06:31 PM

cougar,
the opposite of macho isn't feminist......feminist has political overtones. macho doesn't.

i think you were thinking of "Womanly":

wom·an·ly Audio pronunciation of womanly ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wmn-l)
adj. wom·an·li·er, wom·an·li·est

1. Having qualities generally attributed to a woman.
2. Belonging to or representative of a woman; feminine: womanly attire. See Synonyms at female.

OnyxCougar · 11-06-2003, 06:38 PM

Nicely done. So Macho and Womanly. Any commentary about the way society perceives those words?

To me, "macho" brings to mind a picture of the swaggering white guy (perhaps italian) with the "I can crush a beer can on my skull, I'm so cool" mentality...the kind that wears leisure suits and struts down the road to Bee Gee's music.

Womanly to me, suggests the matronish type of personality, baking cookies and home when you get home from school type, wearing an apron and keeping a tidy house.

So, 70's on the macho thing, 50's on the womanly thing.

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
Nicely done. So Macho and Womanly. Any commentary about the way society perceives those words?

To me, "macho" brings to mind a picture of the swaggering white guy (perhaps italian) with the "I can crush a beer can on my skull, I'm so cool" mentality...the kind that wears leisure suits and struts down the road to Bee Gee's music.

Womanly to me, suggests the matronish type of personality, baking cookies and home when you get home from school type, wearing an apron and keeping a tidy house.

So, 70's on the macho thing, 50's on the womanly thing.

I guess that's subjective, hey? I see womanly as a lady who is very curvy, has long hair, smells good and wiggles when she walks.....like you, cougar.....

Macho, to me, is pretty close to the first half of your description...although, usually having a goatee and wearing a leather vest, not a leisure suit....

these are just physical manifestaitions, though.

perth could be macho in his sweater....who can say?

I meet a lot of different people in my line of work, and I'll tell you, most of the physically macho looking guys are the biggest mama's boys.

macho is a state of mind. womanly is a state of mind.

OnyxCougar · 11-06-2003, 07:12 PM

Oh, I completely agree! Everything is subjective.

And the curvy, long hair woman type is womanly, as well. I'm wondering if you're focusing on the physical manifestations because you're a guy and I'm focusing on the more matronly maifestation because I'm a girl or what the deal is with that. Possibly a "Mars/Venus" type of hardwiring making us generalize along those lines?

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 08:00 PM

yeah, "macho" to a woman has negative connotations.

"macho" to a man is a compliment.

I think the author of that article is struggling with the admission that women are the stronger sex. He has confused physical machoism and crudity with strength. As I see it, Perth may be among the stronger of men because he has the knuts to admit who he is and the self awareness to change back when he recognized a problem coming from acting in a way that was counter to what got him where he was. ( so what if he's wearing a powder blue cardigan)

Women don't seem to have that problem very often. That's why I say they are stronger. Why are women stronger than men?

I have my opinions; among them: they have to put up with our shit, give birth, endure being repressed since the beginning of time, blah, blah, blah.

Boy, am I glad I'm a man.

11-06-2003, 05:38 PM	#18
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Webster online Macho: (adj) characterized by Machismo. (noun) one who exhibits machismo. Machismo= 1 : a strong sense of masculine pride : an exaggerated masculinity Feminism: 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests So, a man is macho if he has pride in masculinity, but if a woman is a feminist, she is seeking equality. So what is a woman who has pride in her femininity? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-06-2003, 05:48 PM	#20
be-bop Operations Operative Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: scotland/uk Posts: 664	Pussifacation of the western male Whats wrong is that we have let the PC gestapo get away with it for too long.Can't smoke in bars.you have to be a New age man. Fuckin' bollocks Men And women are Different our genes are different,our thought processes are not the same we have evolved to do different jobs.thats how we have not become extinct yet.But we will if we let them get away with it any longer. I'm sorry but I don't want to make friends with my female side . Its time to just say no.enough is enough. By the way my wife say's I can reply to this Thread.(This Time)..

11-06-2003, 05:48 PM	#21
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Perth, I'm your counterpoint. You described me pretty well with "I was impatient, intolerant, arrogant and basically everything your machoman stereotype conjures." As I got older (matured) and wiser (209 on the hell test) I didn't like me, so I evolved. My ex went out and found the type I had been, but that's OK. I like me better now. I can't go back. As for the article, he makes some good points but blows his credibility all to hell with some outrageous claims. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 11-06-2003 at 05:52 PM.

11-06-2003, 05:49 PM	#22
Uryoces 2nd Covenant, yo Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pugetropolis Posts: 583	Darn you Lumberjim!!! You made milk come out of my nose! I haven't drunk any milk in a year! :p __________________ The party's over ... the drink ... and the luck ... ran out.

11-06-2003, 06:01 PM	#24
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Webster's online Main Entry: mu·li·eb·ri·ty Pronunciation: "myü-lE-'e-br&-tE Function: noun Etymology: Late Latin muliebritat-, muliebritas, from Latin muliebris of a woman, from mulier woman Date: 1592 : FEMININITY ...... nuh uh!!! __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-06-2003, 05:34 PM	#17
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	Oh I don't take it personally at all. Don't worry about it. Obvious and immature describe all my favourite jokes.

11-06-2003, 06:31 PM	#26
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	cougar, the opposite of macho isn't feminist......feminist has political overtones. macho doesn't. i think you were thinking of "Womanly": wom·an·ly Audio pronunciation of womanly ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wmn-l) adj. wom·an·li·er, wom·an·li·est 1. Having qualities generally attributed to a woman. 2. Belonging to or representative of a woman; feminine: womanly attire. See Synonyms at female. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2003, 06:38 PM	#27
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Nicely done. So Macho and Womanly. Any commentary about the way society perceives those words? To me, "macho" brings to mind a picture of the swaggering white guy (perhaps italian) with the "I can crush a beer can on my skull, I'm so cool" mentality...the kind that wears leisure suits and struts down the road to Bee Gee's music. Womanly to me, suggests the matronish type of personality, baking cookies and home when you get home from school type, wearing an apron and keeping a tidy house. So, 70's on the macho thing, 50's on the womanly thing. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-06-2003, 07:12 PM	#29
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Oh, I completely agree! Everything is subjective. And the curvy, long hair woman type is womanly, as well. I'm wondering if you're focusing on the physical manifestations because you're a guy and I'm focusing on the more matronly maifestation because I'm a girl or what the deal is with that. Possibly a "Mars/Venus" type of hardwiring making us generalize along those lines? __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-06-2003, 08:00 PM	#30
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	yeah, "macho" to a woman has negative connotations. "macho" to a man is a compliment. I think the author of that article is struggling with the admission that women are the stronger sex. He has confused physical machoism and crudity with strength. As I see it, Perth may be among the stronger of men because he has the knuts to admit who he is and the self awareness to change back when he recognized a problem coming from acting in a way that was counter to what got him where he was. ( so what if he's wearing a powder blue cardigan) Women don't seem to have that problem very often. That's why I say they are stronger. Why are women stronger than men? I have my opinions; among them: they have to put up with our shit, give birth, endure being repressed since the beginning of time, blah, blah, blah. Boy, am I glad I'm a man. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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