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This is a tough one...I understand the security end of it, but tourism brings in lots of money...especially here in Philadelphia. You oughta see all the Koreans on Independence Mall.
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no government issued identification, no credit cards, no bank account, nuthin. works a real job. checks are cashed at issuing bank. There is a birth certificate. there is a social security card, and the ONLY thing the number is ever so much as written down on is tax forms. this became problematic recently, because of the USPO requiring photo ID to rent/reregister PO boxes.
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Feelings for America, sympathetic or otherwise, have nothing to do with the proposal. Background info on people entering America may well be useful in sourcing criminal perpetrators of any nature. Now, whether it is fair for the US to request this without reciprocation is questionable. But 'it's not fair' screaming rants aside, do we actually need this information? A collection of credit cards and social security numbers may help mastermind the biggest fraud in history (just who is going to look after this enormously valuable database?) but I think the majority of Europeans would agree that documenting, brain scanning and finger printing every American entering their country would not only be a logistical nightmare but largely futile. Where there is a system there is a mole, no matter its sophisticate.
There are two real issues here which are getting confused: security, which is a real issue for both Americans and Europeans; and blame - who's fault it is that security issues have arisen. Some would argue that the US has brought it on itself (I wont get into this one on a Friday afternoon), but no matter the originator, it is still an issue, and personally, I couldn't care less who accesses my details (within the usual data protection parameters). I have nothing to hide. But I do think the favour should be reciprocated, and there should be a lot more sharing going on.
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that may have been sarcasm, i'm not sure.
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Wolf, there are ways around the photo id thing too, I can hook you up with some people who can help you get photo ID's, help you buy property, get a job, etc. without ever using your social security #.
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The only problem with using a fake ID to obtain a po box (even at a packaging service) is that its a Federal Offense - that is some high-stakes stuff. I can't be sure, for example, that the gummit isn't running checks on all who register po boxes (including those at packaging services - you have to fill out a federal form to get one). Let's say that a bogus ID was used to get one. They might just get a hair up their ass and decide to stake it out and pick you up then you land in federal court. If the AG decides you were up to something you weren't, you are screwed. Its tough staying anonymous these days. And not to nit pik but you do not have the right to travel via commercial vehicles (planes, trains, rental cars) anonymously. The carrier is perfectly within its rights to require some info on who you are - its their vehicle after all.
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That was last year ... this is apparently a relatively new reg.
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I think most Europeans aren't "aware" of the Government trying to hunt you down at any moment. Maybe we have nothing to fear from our governments, because they are nice people and we are nice people :p
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