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Old 09-30-2004, 09:34 AM   #16
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CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 0.7
SHELTER 4.2
GOODS/SERVICES 4.4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 14

Only 3.2 planets? I guess I'm something of an underachiever.

Don't worry, when I win the lottery I'll rectify that.
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Old 09-30-2004, 10:11 AM   #17
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my daily driver is a toyota 4 cyl truck. decent mpg, but i fixed that by underinflating my tires, loading the backend with sand, poking holes in a couple of hoses - gotta do my part to destroy the environment, ya know.
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Old 09-30-2004, 10:29 AM   #18
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The survey says I need 4.4 planets which, frankly, I find hard to believe. Two, three planets, OK, but 4.4? Now, come on!
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Old 09-30-2004, 11:03 AM   #19
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CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

FOOD 0.8

MOBILITY 0.4

SHELTER 0.6

GOODS/SERVICES 1.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3


IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 9 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.7 PLANETS.


Quite encouraging, but a little odd they didn't have England on there, so I opted for 'Island'.

This here planet ain't big enough for the both of us...
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Old 09-30-2004, 12:39 PM   #20
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So what they're saying is that we need to kill off a few millions of people in each of the underdevelpoed countries so we can raise the yield per acre.
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Old 09-30-2004, 01:06 PM   #21
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So what they're saying is that we need to kill off a few millions of people in each of the underdevelpoed countries so we can raise the yield per acre.

Bingo! You're a smart guy, TS, and I knew you'd finally figure it out. Why does the US consistently engage in undeclared wars with third world countries? We're getting rid of all those useless eaters who clutter up the planet! BTW, Lookout, I didn't invent the game you referred to above. Check with your local Homeland Security Force if you want to know the rules and how to play. Just remember I have an uzi! :p
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Old 09-30-2004, 05:11 PM   #22
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I WIN, I WIN. Don't remember the details but 8.9 planets for me! Probably because there are four buses a day where I live, so taking the bus to and from work is a nono, and then I don't live in a terraced house/flat.

And this despite being closely involved with the local recycling organisation (a voluntary community group because the local authority to whom we pay taxes to do this sort of thing don't do it because we live on an island ... )

PS Catwoman, look for the UK not England (or Scotland!)
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Old 10-01-2004, 09:53 AM   #23
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CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.9

MOBILITY 5.4

SHELTER 11.9

GOODS/SERVICES 15.8

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 40



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 9 PLANETS.
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Yeah, whatever. If sustainability means living with 7 people in a mud hovel, eating whatever happens to grow nearby, and never travelling more than a few miles from home, then I say "Earth First! We'll exploit the other planets later".
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Old 10-01-2004, 10:12 AM   #24
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"Earth First! We'll exploit the other planets later".
We really should get that on a bumper sticker.
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Old 10-01-2004, 10:18 AM   #25
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I'd like to see them compare it to the actually productivity in the country we're living in. the US has by far the most productive agricultural land in the world, due in part to good soil, but due mostly to incredible advances in the technology of farming. I would argue against the idea that there is a universally standardized "production per acre" for every country.

My brother-in-law is in Tanzania right now, trying to teach local farmers how to use sustainable, higher yield farming methods to maximise the use of their lands. We're talking the absolute basics here, like how to efficiently irrigate, how to use fertilizer, how to let a field fallow so that it doesn't get stripped of all usable nutrients. I think there are many, many parts of the world where poor transportation, poor education, and official corruption degrade the productivity of land, much more so than a simple lack of resources (water and seed crop).

Just my $.02 - I'm no student of agriculture, but when has that ever stopped me from having an opinion.

Happy October all.

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Old 10-01-2004, 10:30 AM   #26
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the US has by far the most productive agricultural land in the world, due in part to good soil, but due mostly to incredible advances in the technology of farming
Define 'productive'. OK I'm sure the US is most efficient in terms of quantity - she is queen of mass production in every sense. But what about conservation, ecology, quality? If you run your land to the ground (so to speak) it may yield more crops for now, but long term, you will destroy the quality of the land through over-production, GM crops etc. This is not productiveness. This is carnage and another manifestation of the 'buy now pay later' attitude inherent in our society.
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Old 10-01-2004, 10:35 AM   #27
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... you will destroy the quality of the land through over-production, GM crops...
I understand how overproduction is detrimental, but how do GM crops destroy land??
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Old 10-01-2004, 11:27 AM   #28
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well, so far, the central valley of California has been "destroying the quality of the land through over-production" for over 100 years now, and we've yet to see the roof come crashing down. I think it's a bit arrogant of you to assume that american farmers are poor administrators of their own land. If any industry has as accute an awareness of the neccesity of future viability as does agriculture, I'm unaware of it. All they own is their land, and they manage it with a long view toward sustainable production. Come see Ventura county, where I grew up. See how well they tend the land, how carefully they balance their resources, and how amazingly productive they make their land.

Not every advance in production is at the expense of the environment, or at the expense of future viability, and along those lines, not everything thought up and implemented by an american is inherently evil. Just a friendly reminder.

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