cars again: why suvs suck - Page 2

Undertoad · 10-16-2004, 11:38 AM

Face it, you're getting a Pathfinder, and you'll learn to like it.

jinx · 10-16-2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Face it, you're getting a Pathfinder, and you'll learn to like it.

Nope. Only comes in a v6 and there aren't enough bells and whistles despite it being redesigned and supposedly less trucky. The Murano jim has now is 'ok'. Doesn't handle appreciably better than the Jeep though. More HP but it's so slow to accelerate... needs more torque. The constant velocity thing is pretty cool, but again, I'd rather be able to stomp on the pedal and pass someone.

Undertoad · 10-16-2004, 01:37 PM

Well I'ma lease one of them Zs. All I need is to make a little more money. OK a lot.

Griff · 10-17-2004, 07:55 AM

Is Nissan taking a beating on the new Valdez class pickups and SUVs? It seems like they picked a bad time to get into the absurdly over-size market.

People should be able to choose whatever they want to drive but I don't buy the SUV as station wagon arguement. Pete's Impreza rocks in the snow so I assume the larger AWD wagons handle well. My Nissan 4x4 is better for deep snow but the Subaru is a much more flexible vehicle. Most of my siblings and in-laws with kids have gone the van and SUV route but I've never needed to haul that much stuff with the girls. My bro-in-law gives me crap for not having a van for hauling kid stuff but what do you need that doesn't fit in a hatchback or trunk?

*edit* This sounds like sniping but I really don't know why the big vehicles are necessary or even desirable since they handle for shit. A real reply rather than a flame would be appreciated. If you live in a suburbia why a 4x4? I live where people go on the vacations they justify their 4x4 for and outside of hauling farm/construction stuff I don't need a 4x4.

lumberjim · 10-17-2004, 09:27 AM

griff,

The only reason I can see for having one of those BIGASS SuV's like the suburban or the Armada (drove one, hated it) is the third row of seats. Jinx's jeep is perfect for our lifestyle. I can fill it with groceries, kids, strap the kayaks to the roof, and go drive through the woods, plus it handles like a car, gets to 60mph in 7.xx seconds, and I don't have to plow my driveway when it snows.

In our opinion, minivans are safer because they sap the joy out of driving. they are infinitely useable, get good mileage, and handle decently......but most people that drive them are much more likely to stay in the slow lane and get there safely.....

many of these stats begin with what kind of drivers buy theses vehicles. minivan drivers are generally more interested in safety, so it stands to reason that they drive more carefully. sports car buyers are more likely to be good drivers that take joy in the performance, and get emotionally involved with their car......much more likely to be acutely aware of their surroundings when driving. SUV buyers tend to range from soccer moms to extreme sport yuppies. that large a slice of the populous has varrying degrees of driving skill, and therefore, a mixed bag of accident probabilities get lumped up together. I think it all comes down to the driver. If you can;t handle a 4 door sedan without banging into the gas pump, you shouldn;t be out buying an SUV because they do better in an accident, you should take a cab.

BrianR · 10-17-2004, 11:42 AM

Toad, I have a 300ZX for sale if you want one, cheap!

busterb · 10-17-2004, 12:55 PM

Cars & pickups.

Is it possible to buy a one today w/out all the damn whistles & bells? I have a 78 ford pu w/over 200k miles on it. Radio & heater. A damn Dakato 99 w/a bunch of crap, also new front end w/less than 30k miles & 16 MPG. I can read a map, why do I need GPS? If I don't know where I'm going I leave early. Not that I ever go anywhere. I also know to keep gas in the damn thing, please no dings. Air in tires, change oil, just found out that's a no no.Warranty is void!
How about a plain old vehical, one that years ago you could open doors & wash the thing out?

jinx · 10-17-2004, 02:31 PM

I washed my car like that yesterday buster. Left the sunroof open and it rained buckets. It's all good today though - heated seats even still work.
The wrangler actually has a drain on the floor...

xoxoxoBruce · 10-17-2004, 06:06 PM

LJ, absolutely!

Too bad the Feds and CA state can't understand that. It's the truth but the bane of actuarial tables.

Jinx, a couple rounds through the floor should handle any water.

russotto · 10-18-2004, 04:11 PM

I've got a Miata (not listed) and an Outback. Despite what the table says, the outback is NOT a compact! Sheesh!

I'm guessing the Town Car is up there in driver deaths because of heart attacks and strokes rather than any quality of the vehicle.

wolf · 10-22-2004, 10:03 AM

Pardon my ignorance about such subjects as stump pulling ...

But why does the stump appear to be leaning opposite the direction of pull? Unless you were using a big elastic band to pull the stump and when it came free, the car flipped over it and miraculously landed on it's feet like a one ton cat, I don't see how that works out like that ...

hot_pastrami · 10-22-2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

But why does the stump appear to be leaning opposite the direction of pull?

I think that the pictured acivity is actually stump pushing. The strap shown is heavily starched to give it surprising stiffness. The Jeep is backed up slowly, and the stump pops out like a cork.

Whenever I get surprising stiffness, I'm always up for a little stump pushing. Cough.

FloridaDragon · 10-22-2004, 11:17 AM

I wondered if anyone would catch that little fact...

well, the stump in question was kinda well anchored ...as trees usually are. So you pull the stump one direction to break more roots on the other side of the stump, then unhook, go to the other side and pull some more....if I had a HV maybe I could have just pulled it out in one clean pull but not so with my GC.
This pic shows the stump being bent back the way I was pulling...eventually the sucker came out. The tree in question was about a 70 year old pecan tree...sorry to see it go.

FD

Clodfobble · 10-22-2004, 03:11 PM

We pulled out bushes in front of our house like that--with a minivan.

Griff · 10-22-2004, 04:26 PM

Little hint for stump pullers, just wrap the chain or strap around the stump so it twists on the way out, breaking the roots.

10-17-2004, 07:55 AM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Is Nissan taking a beating on the new Valdez class pickups and SUVs? It seems like they picked a bad time to get into the absurdly over-size market. People should be able to choose whatever they want to drive but I don't buy the SUV as station wagon arguement. Pete's Impreza rocks in the snow so I assume the larger AWD wagons handle well. My Nissan 4x4 is better for deep snow but the Subaru is a much more flexible vehicle. Most of my siblings and in-laws with kids have gone the van and SUV route but I've never needed to haul that much stuff with the girls. My bro-in-law gives me crap for not having a van for hauling kid stuff but what do you need that doesn't fit in a hatchback or trunk? edit This sounds like sniping but I really don't know why the big vehicles are necessary or even desirable since they handle for shit. A real reply rather than a flame would be appreciated. If you live in a suburbia why a 4x4? I live where people go on the vacations they justify their 4x4 for and outside of hauling farm/construction stuff I don't need a 4x4. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis Last edited by Griff; 10-17-2004 at 08:24 AM. Reason: add on, trying not to expose my asswholeyness

10-17-2004, 09:27 AM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	griff, The only reason I can see for having one of those BIGASS SuV's like the suburban or the Armada (drove one, hated it) is the third row of seats. Jinx's jeep is perfect for our lifestyle. I can fill it with groceries, kids, strap the kayaks to the roof, and go drive through the woods, plus it handles like a car, gets to 60mph in 7.xx seconds, and I don't have to plow my driveway when it snows. In our opinion, minivans are safer because they sap the joy out of driving. they are infinitely useable, get good mileage, and handle decently......but most people that drive them are much more likely to stay in the slow lane and get there safely..... many of these stats begin with what kind of drivers buy theses vehicles. minivan drivers are generally more interested in safety, so it stands to reason that they drive more carefully. sports car buyers are more likely to be good drivers that take joy in the performance, and get emotionally involved with their car......much more likely to be acutely aware of their surroundings when driving. SUV buyers tend to range from soccer moms to extreme sport yuppies. that large a slice of the populous has varrying degrees of driving skill, and therefore, a mixed bag of accident probabilities get lumped up together. I think it all comes down to the driver. If you can;t handle a 4 door sedan without banging into the gas pump, you shouldn;t be out buying an SUV because they do better in an accident, you should take a cab. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-17-2004, 11:42 AM	#6
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Toad, I have a 300ZX for sale if you want one, cheap! __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

10-17-2004, 12:55 PM	#7
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Cars & pickups. Is it possible to buy a one today w/out all the damn whistles & bells? I have a 78 ford pu w/over 200k miles on it. Radio & heater. A damn Dakato 99 w/a bunch of crap, also new front end w/less than 30k miles & 16 MPG. I can read a map, why do I need GPS? If I don't know where I'm going I leave early. Not that I ever go anywhere. I also know to keep gas in the damn thing, please no dings. Air in tires, change oil, just found out that's a no no.Warranty is void! How about a plain old vehical, one that years ago you could open doors & wash the thing out? __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

10-17-2004, 02:31 PM	#8
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I washed my car like that yesterday buster. Left the sunroof open and it rained buckets. It's all good today though - heated seats even still work. The wrangler actually has a drain on the floor... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

10-16-2004, 11:38 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Face it, you're getting a Pathfinder, and you'll learn to like it.

10-16-2004, 01:37 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well I'ma lease one of them Zs. All I need is to make a little more money. OK a lot.

10-17-2004, 06:06 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	LJ, absolutely! Too bad the Feds and CA state can't understand that. It's the truth but the bane of actuarial tables. Jinx, a couple rounds through the floor should handle any water. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-18-2004, 04:11 PM	#10
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	I've got a Miata (not listed) and an Outback. Despite what the table says, the outback is NOT a compact! Sheesh! I'm guessing the Town Car is up there in driver deaths because of heart attacks and strokes rather than any quality of the vehicle.

10-22-2004, 10:03 AM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Pardon my ignorance about such subjects as stump pulling ... But why does the stump appear to be leaning opposite the direction of pull? Unless you were using a big elastic band to pull the stump and when it came free, the car flipped over it and miraculously landed on it's feet like a one ton cat, I don't see how that works out like that ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-22-2004, 11:17 AM	#13
FloridaDragon ... Maintaining .... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: FireAnt Hell Posts: 196	I wondered if anyone would catch that little fact... well, the stump in question was kinda well anchored ...as trees usually are. So you pull the stump one direction to break more roots on the other side of the stump, then unhook, go to the other side and pull some more....if I had a HV maybe I could have just pulled it out in one clean pull but not so with my GC. This pic shows the stump being bent back the way I was pulling...eventually the sucker came out. The tree in question was about a 70 year old pecan tree...sorry to see it go. FD Attached Images

10-22-2004, 03:11 PM	#14
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	We pulled out bushes in front of our house like that--with a minivan.

10-22-2004, 04:26 PM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Little hint for stump pullers, just wrap the chain or strap around the stump so it twists on the way out, breaking the roots. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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