Deja Vu all over again - Iran and the Bomb - Page 2

wolf · 11-20-2004, 08:42 PM

America, in a technical sense, doesn't have a 'working class' as such ... and I don't mind people of other classes at all, just so long as they are working. I have a great deal of respect, actually, for people who provide service jobs ... whether it's floor mopping, waitressing, or handy-manning.

I went to school for lots of extra years so I don't have to do those things.

I just have a problem with people who could work that don't, and instead suck money out of the system and use public funds to support their drug and alcohol habits, fer instance.

richlevy · 11-20-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Hmm. Let's see.

Traditional monarchy in a country that was actually fairly progressive for it's region in terms of things like individual freedom and woman's rights versus a religious dictatorship that was looked upon as a role model for the Taliban?

If by "progressive" you mean in terms of setting up a brutal secret police , then I guess you're right. If we had invaded Iran when the Shah was in power we would be making the same accusations against him that we did against Hussein.

jaguar · 11-21-2004, 04:03 AM

It's not a non-answer UT, considering the fuss I heard over frankly, bizarre claims that an amendment allowing foreigners to run for presidency might result in foreign spies becoming president the right to have leaders I think the US might value leaders who aren't primarily beholden to foreign interests as well. Tell me you wouldn't prefer self-rule, hell, the Vietnamese sacrificed millions for it. Secondly, it can't have been that unpopular, after all, it was a people's revolution, just because you love your 'democracy' doesn't mean that's everyone's priority.

Undertoad · 11-21-2004, 09:28 AM

So then your answer, which we still must infer, is "yes".

jaguar · 11-21-2004, 09:40 AM

No, the answer is they went from a foreign-controlled despotic regime to a people's revolution that became a despoitic regime with decreasing support. However if the US thinks they'd be welcomed as liberators they've got another thing coming.

11-21-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

America, in a technical sense, doesn't have a 'working class' as such ...

Excuse me, could you explain your thinking behind that statement? I see members of the working class all around me. What? Is Colorado just a backward state or something?

wolf · 11-21-2004, 12:55 PM

Last time I checked, we sort "classes" in our theoretically classless society by economic achievement (low, middle, upper) rather than by employment category.

richlevy · 11-21-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Last time I checked, we sort "classes" in our theoretically classless society by economic achievement (low, middle, upper) rather than by employment category.

We still do have a 'blue collar' and 'white collar' division, although with the huge loss of manufacturing and the rise of low-paying 'service' jobs, wearing a nice shirt and tie does not mean you rise above the working poor.

Elspode · 11-21-2004, 06:24 PM

I think income level pretty much defacto sorts us into working class, management class, professional class, etc. I mean, you seldom see someone who earns six figures working at Taco Bell.

11-22-2004, 12:02 AM

America's Class System (from lowest to highest caste):

musician
writer
teacher
street person/homeless
welfare mom
elderly/disabled living on social security
college student
Walmart Greeter/McDonald's worker
working class stiff
working man's dead
waitress at Denny's
waitress at I-Hop
manager at Denny's/I-Hop/McDonald's
kid with a philosophy degree driving a garbage truck
computer geek
professional with a degree
MBA plotting to out source all of above
Company Executive plotting to outsource MBA
Japanese
Saudi Royal Family
Bill Gates

wolf · 11-22-2004, 09:58 AM

And people call ME cynical.

wolf · 11-22-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

I mean, you seldom see someone who earns six figures working at Taco Bell.

I've seen someone who used to make six figures working at Taco Bell, though ...

Downsizing and outsourcing have had their impact.

Undertoad · 11-22-2004, 10:44 AM

musician
writer
teacher
street person/homeless
welfare mom
elderly/disabled living on social security
college student
Walmart Greeter/McDonald's worker
Lawyers
working class stiff
working man's dead
Failed entrepreneurs
Hot Dog vendors
Automotive salespeople
waitress at Denny's
waitress at I-Hop
Retail sales
manager at Denny's/I-Hop/McDonald's
kid with a philosophy degree driving a garbage truck
dogs
computer geek
professional with a degree
Plumber, electrician, HVAC
MBA plotting to out source all of above
People who have been on reality shows
General Physicians
Company Executive plotting to outsource MBA
Minor celebrities
Surgeons, CEOs, top athletes
Major celebrities
(Japanese, Saudi Royal Family removed)
P.O.T.U.S.
Bill Gates

OnyxCougar · 11-22-2004, 04:16 PM

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from the Iranian paper link
Under Iranian [law], any person who has reached the age of maturity -- considered nine-years-old for girls and 15 years for boys -- can be executed for capital offences.

Quote:

Murder, armed robbery, rape, apostasy and serious drug trafficking are all punishable by death in Iran.

Different Story:

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BERLIN, Nov. 15 (JTA) — What is anti-Semitism? Two young Muslim girls marching in Berlin’s Al-Quds Day, or Jerusalem Day, parade didn’t know, even though they were holding up signs opposing “occupation, racism and anti-Semitism.”

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richlevy · 11-22-2004, 09:30 PM

Technically, anti-Semitism can be against Arabs as well as Jews.

11-20-2004, 08:42 PM	#16
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	America, in a technical sense, doesn't have a 'working class' as such ... and I don't mind people of other classes at all, just so long as they are working. I have a great deal of respect, actually, for people who provide service jobs ... whether it's floor mopping, waitressing, or handy-manning. I went to school for lots of extra years so I don't have to do those things. I just have a problem with people who could work that don't, and instead suck money out of the system and use public funds to support their drug and alcohol habits, fer instance. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-21-2004, 04:03 AM	#18
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	It's not a non-answer UT, considering the fuss I heard over frankly, bizarre claims that an amendment allowing foreigners to run for presidency might result in foreign spies becoming president the right to have leaders I think the US might value leaders who aren't primarily beholden to foreign interests as well. Tell me you wouldn't prefer self-rule, hell, the Vietnamese sacrificed millions for it. Secondly, it can't have been that unpopular, after all, it was a people's revolution, just because you love your 'democracy' doesn't mean that's everyone's priority. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-21-2004, 09:40 AM	#20
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	No, the answer is they went from a foreign-controlled despotic regime to a people's revolution that became a despoitic regime with decreasing support. However if the US thinks they'd be welcomed as liberators they've got another thing coming. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-21-2004, 12:55 PM	#22
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Last time I checked, we sort "classes" in our theoretically classless society by economic achievement (low, middle, upper) rather than by employment category. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-21-2004, 06:24 PM	#24
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I think income level pretty much defacto sorts us into working class, management class, professional class, etc. I mean, you seldom see someone who earns six figures working at Taco Bell. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-21-2004, 09:28 AM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	So then your answer, which we still must infer, is "yes".

11-22-2004, 12:02 AM	#25
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	America's Class System (from lowest to highest caste): musician writer teacher street person/homeless welfare mom elderly/disabled living on social security college student Walmart Greeter/McDonald's worker working class stiff working man's dead waitress at Denny's waitress at I-Hop manager at Denny's/I-Hop/McDonald's kid with a philosophy degree driving a garbage truck computer geek professional with a degree MBA plotting to out source all of above Company Executive plotting to outsource MBA Japanese Saudi Royal Family Bill Gates

11-22-2004, 09:58 AM	#26
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	And people call ME cynical. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-22-2004, 10:44 AM	#28
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	musician writer teacher street person/homeless welfare mom elderly/disabled living on social security college student Walmart Greeter/McDonald's worker Lawyers working class stiff working man's dead Failed entrepreneurs Hot Dog vendors Automotive salespeople waitress at Denny's waitress at I-Hop Retail sales manager at Denny's/I-Hop/McDonald's kid with a philosophy degree driving a garbage truck dogs computer geek professional with a degree Plumber, electrician, HVAC MBA plotting to out source all of above People who have been on reality shows General Physicians Company Executive plotting to outsource MBA Minor celebrities Surgeons, CEOs, top athletes Major celebrities (Japanese, Saudi Royal Family removed) P.O.T.U.S. Bill Gates

11-22-2004, 09:30 PM	#30
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Technically, anti-Semitism can be against Arabs as well as Jews. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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