Divorce rates in the bible belt - Page 2

wolf · 12-07-2004, 12:54 AM

The Methodists seem to be taking it seriously. They just defrocked a Lesbian minister who gave a "coming out" sermon to her congregation.

Ms. Stroud's Website, which includes a link to the sermon.

Troubleshooter · 12-07-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The Methodists seem to be taking it seriously. They just defrocked a Lesbian minister who gave a "coming out" sermon to her congregation.

Ms. Stroud's Website, which includes a link to the sermon.

This is one of those divided issues for me.

On one hand I don't care who pokes whom, so long as it's not me without my permission.

On the other hand, she knew the rules before she joined the club.

It's a good indicator of what is wrong with a lot of policies in the world today. The disconnect between what is realistic and what is traditional.

LabRat · 12-07-2004, 11:09 AM

[quote=Troubleshooter]On one hand I don't care who pokes whom, so long as it's not me without my permission.[quote]

HA! i've been looking for a new user title, if you don't mind, i'd like to adopt this, i love it! perfect.

Undertoad · 12-07-2004, 11:14 AM

Too long though

Troubleshooter · 12-07-2004, 11:23 AM

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On one hand I don't care who pokes whom, so long as it's not me without my permission.

HA! i've been looking for a new user title, if you don't mind, i'd like to adopt this, i love it! perfect.

Knock yourself out.

glatt · 12-07-2004, 11:29 AM

Hey, wait. What's wrong with the one about washing stuff off your hands?

jaguar · 12-07-2004, 11:48 AM

this thread is hilarious.

Prize a close tie between

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when folks generally marry their 14 year old cousins, there is going to be a higher divorce rate. It has nothing to do with values.

I think that does have something to do with values.

and

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the Bible Belt is mostly Protestent, divorce rates should be high. They've got it, might as well flaunt it.

wolf · 12-07-2004, 01:05 PM

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On the other hand, she knew the rules before she joined the club.

That has long been my standpoint ... Ministers, particularly, are supposed to provide an example for the community. That's what makes it newsworthy when one of them falls (think Swaggert and the hooker).

On the other side of it, the Church must have known what they were getting into when she was ordained ... she went to Bryn Mawr, ferchrissakes. I haven't read through all her sermons, but I'm guessing that the "Coming Out" sermon wasn't much of a shocker to most of her congregants.

I still have issues with the American Episcopal Church, given their confirmation of a gay Bishop ... not because he's gay, but because he's in a active homosexual relationship.

Troubleshooter · 12-07-2004, 01:14 PM

Strictly speaking, you can be a (insert appropriate homo tag) so long as you are a celibate (insert appropriate homo tag). I don't think her sexual preferrence was in question, just the status of her relationships.

Happy Monkey · 12-07-2004, 05:16 PM

On the one hand, a church can kick anyone out for whatever reason they want. On the other hand, if you don't challenge the rules, they'll never change, and any organization that doesn't change with the times will die. I'm talking generically, not specifically about this case - just saying that challenging rules is a necessary part of any organization. This challenge didn't make it, but the 7-6 vote shows it was hardly a longshot.

warch · 12-07-2004, 05:31 PM

Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go!

www.stillspeaking.com

Troubleshooter · 12-08-2004, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

On the one hand, a church can kick anyone out for whatever reason they want. On the other hand, if you don't challenge the rules, they'll never change, and any organization that doesn't change with the times will die. I'm talking generically, not specifically about this case - just saying that challenging rules is a necessary part of any organization. This challenge didn't make it, but the 7-6 vote shows it was hardly a longshot.

The 7-6 vote was only on how to punish her, it was 12-1 I believe on her guilt.

Troubleshooter · 12-08-2004, 08:34 AM

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Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go!

www.stillspeaking.com

The UCC and the Unitarians are different churches, at least on the surface.

Specifically, "Last Thursday I spoke with the Rev. John Thomas, president of the UCC, to offer my personal support and that of the Unitarian Universalist community."

jaguar · 12-08-2004, 08:55 AM

I assume the problem with the ad was that the ones the guys at the start let through looked like rejects for a 50s poster for the nuclear family.

Happy Monkey · 12-08-2004, 09:46 AM

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The 7-6 vote was only on how to punish her, it was 12-1 I believe on her guilt.

Well, she admitted it in the pulpit. She was obviously guilty. The punishment is what defines the rule. If they hadn't defrocked her, that would have changed the "no actively gay ministers" rule to "actively gay ministers are frowned upon" at most.

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The Methodists seem to be taking it seriously. They just defrocked a Lesbian minister who gave a "coming out" sermon to her congregation. Ms. Stroud's Website, which includes a link to the sermon. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	[quote=Troubleshooter]On one hand I don't care who pokes whom, so long as it's not me without my permission.[quote] HA! i've been looking for a new user title, if you don't mind, i'd like to adopt this, i love it! perfect. __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

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Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Strictly speaking, you can be a (insert appropriate homo tag) so long as you are a celibate (insert appropriate homo tag). I don't think her sexual preferrence was in question, just the status of her relationships. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

12-07-2004, 05:16 PM	#25
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	On the one hand, a church can kick anyone out for whatever reason they want. On the other hand, if you don't challenge the rules, they'll never change, and any organization that doesn't change with the times will die. I'm talking generically, not specifically about this case - just saying that challenging rules is a necessary part of any organization. This challenge didn't make it, but the 7-6 vote shows it was hardly a longshot. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	I assume the problem with the ad was that the ones the guys at the start let through looked like rejects for a 50s poster for the nuclear family. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Too long though

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glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Hey, wait. What's wrong with the one about washing stuff off your hands?

12-07-2004, 05:31 PM	#26
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Watch the United Church of Christ's Ad that is too controversial for TV. This is just ridiculous. I have a feeling the controversy will serve them well. Go Unitarians Go! www.stillspeaking.com

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