How to train a man - Page 2

Jacquelita · 01-30-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacquelita

Stacey, I think UT may just be taunting you to get a reaction

After further discussion with UT, I rescind my previous statement

Undertoad · 01-30-2005, 05:21 PM

J didn't notice that Stace had deleted her first comment wherein Stace noted that she wrote a note in black marker on the bottom of her toilet seat to get Arsen to put the seat down.

Elspode · 01-30-2005, 06:41 PM

So shouldn't Arsen now write a little note on the top of the seat reminding Stacey to leave it up when she's done?

I think the foundation of the "up/down" argument comes from the notion that women have no choice but to sit during urination, whereas men usually stand. This means that men sit only approximately half as much as women, who sit 100% of the time (except during hovering while using public restrooms, where the facilities are segregated and therefore not an up/down issue), therefore, the seat should be left down because women do not ever need it to be up.

Is that about right, ladies?

Beestie · 01-30-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

J didn't notice that Stace had deleted her first comment wherein Stace noted that she wrote a note in black marker on the bottom of her toilet seat to get Arsen to put the seat down.

Simple solution: Get an off-white (or more colorful) toilet seat.

Clodfobble · 01-30-2005, 08:24 PM

Els,

It's not an issue of fairness over who sits more--it legitimately has to do with falling in. Many women don't look before they sit. If the seat is up, it makes for a very unpleasant experience. Even if you take the opposite scenario to its illogical conclusion, if a man starts peeing before he sees whether the seat is up, worst thing that happens is the seat gets a few drops of piss on it. And the guy probably isn't even fazed by that outcome.

Personally, my husband's neurotic about the LID having to always be down, so the seat isn't an issue in my house.

Brett's Honey · 01-30-2005, 08:28 PM

I think the toilet seat issue can be made easier - Put the LID down. That way, nobody falls in, everybody has to put the seat down (before the lid), the dog or cat does not drink out of it,.....and I saw something one saying that when you flush, toliet water can actually spray a fine mist of toilet water particles around in the air and onto the sink, toothbrushes, etc..... . A solution possibly?

Beestie · 01-30-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

...when you flush, toliet water can actually spray a fine mist of toilet water particles around in the air and onto the sink, toothbrushes, etc....

Uh Oh, a newbie has unwittingly opened the Pandora's box that is the poop molecule. Flee for your lives.

elSicomoro · 01-30-2005, 08:41 PM

Juju, where are you?

Brett's Honey · 01-30-2005, 09:05 PM

Oops...please focus on the "lid down" issue....

Brett's Honey · 01-30-2005, 09:16 PM

And stacyv.......
Regarding your first post - I fell your pain. I have been struggling for almost three years now with my "new" husband and thirteen year old step-daughter with issues like your "wet towel flung on the living room furniture. I don't want to constanly pick up after them but if I didn't, the house would be a pig sty. Fortunately, my son doesn't walk around making messes, and he does help me out, but that just seems to cause problems that we don't normally have around here, trying to blend these two "half families" into one.
I'm not asking anyone to do any major cleaning - just pick up after yourself. I feel like I'm asking for so little, but a little that means a lot to me. Is it too much to ask?! How DO you get people to pick up after themselves??!!

dar512 · 01-30-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

How DO you get people to pick up after themselves??!!

You train them as children.

Jacquelita · 01-30-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

How DO you get people to pick up after themselves??!!

There's no doubt about it - trying to "blend families" can be very difficult and test even the strongest of relationships. The fact is when you marry or join lives with another you're committing to a group dynamic that is exponentially more complex.

Ultimately, you can't make others change "bad" habits. Granted, there's a certain level of compromise that committing partners may willingly make with each other, but if your man is naturally messy and has passed on these qualities to his daughter, then the chances are slim that this will change dramatically.

I think you have to accept others for who they are (especially those most important in your life). Cherish what is wonderful about them and forgive them their "faults". We all have things about us which others may find frustrating, strange or difficult to deal with.

I guess the trick is knowing your partner well enough to understand if there is truly a "deal breaker" before you make the long term committment.

404Error · 01-30-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I have often wondered why the toilet seat thing is even an issue ... If I leave it down, he needs to put it up. If he puts it up, I need to put it down. Sounds like an adequate division of responsibilities to me ...

Well said, Wolf. I believe that is the most logical and sensible comment I've read on the whole lid up/down issue.

melidasaur · 01-30-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I have often wondered why the toilet seat thing is even an issue ... If I leave it down, he needs to put it up. If he puts it up, I need to put it down. Sounds like an adequate division of responsibilities to me ...

That is so profound - really! I've never thought of it that way.

jaguar · 01-31-2005, 01:47 AM

You really do love cock don't you lj.

Clod, how frigging hard is it to look?! Seriously, all it takes is the most cursary of glances! Unless you walk backwards into the bathroom or something I can't understand how you can't look....

01-30-2005, 06:41 PM	#18
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	So shouldn't Arsen now write a little note on the top of the seat reminding Stacey to leave it up when she's done? I think the foundation of the "up/down" argument comes from the notion that women have no choice but to sit during urination, whereas men usually stand. This means that men sit only approximately half as much as women, who sit 100% of the time (except during hovering while using public restrooms, where the facilities are segregated and therefore not an up/down issue), therefore, the seat should be left down because women do not ever need it to be up. Is that about right, ladies? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

01-31-2005, 01:47 AM	#30
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	You really do love cock don't you lj. Clod, how frigging hard is it to look?! Seriously, all it takes is the most cursary of glances! Unless you walk backwards into the bathroom or something I can't understand how you can't look.... __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

01-30-2005, 05:21 PM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	J didn't notice that Stace had deleted her first comment wherein Stace noted that she wrote a note in black marker on the bottom of her toilet seat to get Arsen to put the seat down.

01-30-2005, 08:24 PM	#20
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Els, It's not an issue of fairness over who sits more--it legitimately has to do with falling in. Many women don't look before they sit. If the seat is up, it makes for a very unpleasant experience. Even if you take the opposite scenario to its illogical conclusion, if a man starts peeing before he sees whether the seat is up, worst thing that happens is the seat gets a few drops of piss on it. And the guy probably isn't even fazed by that outcome. Personally, my husband's neurotic about the LID having to always be down, so the seat isn't an issue in my house.

01-30-2005, 08:28 PM	#21
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	I think the toilet seat issue can be made easier - Put the LID down. That way, nobody falls in, everybody has to put the seat down (before the lid), the dog or cat does not drink out of it,.....and I saw something one saying that when you flush, toliet water can actually spray a fine mist of toilet water particles around in the air and onto the sink, toothbrushes, etc..... . A solution possibly?

01-30-2005, 08:41 PM	#23
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Juju, where are you?

01-30-2005, 09:05 PM	#24
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	Oops...please focus on the "lid down" issue....

01-30-2005, 09:16 PM	#25
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	And stacyv....... Regarding your first post - I fell your pain. I have been struggling for almost three years now with my "new" husband and thirteen year old step-daughter with issues like your "wet towel flung on the living room furniture. I don't want to constanly pick up after them but if I didn't, the house would be a pig sty. Fortunately, my son doesn't walk around making messes, and he does help me out, but that just seems to cause problems that we don't normally have around here, trying to blend these two "half families" into one. I'm not asking anyone to do any major cleaning - just pick up after yourself. I feel like I'm asking for so little, but a little that means a lot to me. Is it too much to ask?! How DO you get people to pick up after themselves??!!

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