Recent Supreme Court Rulings - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 06-24-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hot_pastrami

Good point. The "value" of any object is defined by how desirable it is. By virtue of the fact that some entity with lots of money wants to build something there, it's value should be increased dramatically; but the "fair market value" given to the owner in these instances is based on it's value BEFORE the rich entity wanted it. What a racket.

I Atlantic City one woman held out against the first casino so they built around her. I mean they walled up 3 sides of her property with casino. Now her property is worth so much they taxed her out. Most of the proceeds from the property went to back taxes.

Llast year Vietnam was trying to convince Boeing to throw some business their way and invest in a plant there. After considerable investigating, Boeing said no because the Viet's legal system didn't provide enough protection for ownership of private property. Wonder if they'll be moving out of the US?

Fair Market Value? A few years back my township took 176 acres of farmland (orchards) for "open Space". They decided the value was $13.5k/acre. Yet a half mile up the road 1/2 acre lots were already selling for $60k. That's in the courts. Plus they sold the taxpayers/voters the whole bond issue approval deal with the $13.5k number.
Now when the dust settles the deal is done and J.Q. Public has to ante up no matter what the cost.

jaguar · 06-25-2005, 02:47 AM

it begins

jaguar · 06-25-2005, 02:30 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but here seems as good as anywhere.

BigV · 06-25-2005, 04:47 PM

I noticed that the whole map's red now.

Reminds me of the thread that drew me to the cellar in the first place. My first post was on this subject.

Griff · 06-25-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

it begins

Every little chump municipality in the country just got green lighted.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-26-2005, 11:06 AM

Cue violins.....Your Mom and Dad bought or built their house back in the 50's. A modest house but it fits their needs nicely. Lovely location, nice view, garden, flower beds and a million happy memories. Wonderful to have the grandkids running around the big yard with the dogs just like you did back in the day. Best of all, because it's a modest home, the taxes are only a couple grand...say $2500.

Cue oboe......Snidley Richcash thinks it's a lovely location too. Just the spot to build his dream showoff place that the high rent architect designed. Have to get rid of those pesky old folks and tear down that shack but that's not a big deal. After all, Snidley has this burg in his pocket. But more importantly the new home would pay not $2500 but $7500 in taxes.

Mom and Dad better hope they're not on the toilet when Snidley tells the powers that be his plans because they won't have time to wipe.

footfootfoot · 06-26-2005, 01:06 PM

Elspode is right on, this is not communism it is the nascent moments of Corpocracy. I am surprised that not everyone realizes how much of everything they see, do, and unfortunatley, think is dictated by Corporations.

Some months after 9/11 the Gov't said they wanted to have a "real time" teleconferencing (sp?) system in place within 5 years to enable all the world leaders heads of state to communicate in teh event of a similar occurance. The top Fortune 500 companies had one in place within MONTHS.

That to me, speaks volumes about who is running what.

mrnoodle · 06-27-2005, 01:57 PM

The fact that big corporations know how to manipulate small municipal governments isn't the scary thing here. The greed is plenty bad, but what's scary is that the highest court in the land just ruled that your government is entitled to take your private property for any reason it wants. That's pure Soviet Russia there.

If I'm not mistaken, though, state's rights still supersede.....

wolf · 06-27-2005, 02:19 PM

So far.

Oh, and by the way folks, please remember that your children are also Property of the State.

BigV · 06-27-2005, 02:49 PM

While we're on the "Corporations own the world, we just breathe here" tune, here's another verse.

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Monday, June 27, 2005

Disney Death: Goofy state regulation

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

Walt Disney World's exemption from amusement ride regulation in Florida is hardly amusing. It's long been said that the aerospace industry was the 800-pound gorilla in Washington state politics but it looks like just a chimp compared with the clout the amusement park industry enjoys in Florida.

Four-year-old Daudi Bamuwamye died June 13 while on the "Mission: Space" ride at the Orlando park, but under Florida law, state inspectors need permission from the theme park's management.

Thanks to heavy lobbying by Disney officials, an attempt at reform after a 1989 carnival ride death was turned into a boon for the large theme parks there, exempting such operations as Disney World, Universal Orlando, Sea World and Busch Gardens. Florida regulators can inspect the smaller amusement parks and carnivals, but not the big ones. The smaller operators must report a death or serious accident within four hours, but the large parks are asked to make only quarterly -- and voluntary -- accident reports.

Washington law requires annual inspections of such facilities and reports of accidents requiring medical attention are to be made within 24 hours.

The recent death may have had nothing to do with the ride, but allowing Disney to block state investigation into the case is just goofy.

Why? The only answer is "bought and paid for". Which leads to the question, are politician expenses short term liabilities, or capital expenses?

melidasaur · 06-27-2005, 09:37 PM

Government is a business... and as crappy as it is for the government to use eminent domain to take someone's property and sell it to a private individual/entity, it's what happens in our society. Sucks... yes. Violates constitutional rights... not really.

As for the Grokster ruling... it really doesn't answer the question in my opinion.

footfootfoot · 06-27-2005, 10:18 PM

http://www.nldc.org/

Here it is in black and white and color.

melidasaur · 06-27-2005, 10:37 PM

Sometimes, I wished I would have either: a) payed attention in my Constitutional Law classes or b) gave a damn about learning Constitutional law. Often times, I praised the countries that didn't have constitutions because constitutions can lead to bs like all this, but without it - life would probably suck too. It's a catch-22.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-27-2005, 11:23 PM

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While we're on the "Corporations own the world, we just breathe here" tune, here's another verse.

Hell, that's nothing. Disney's deal with Florida allows them to build and operate a nuclear power plant if the wish.

LabRat · 06-28-2005, 11:48 AM

seriously?

06-25-2005, 02:47 AM	#17
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06-25-2005, 04:47 PM	#19
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I noticed that the whole map's red now. Reminds me of the thread that drew me to the cellar in the first place. My first post was on this subject. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not. Last edited by BigV; 06-25-2005 at 04:49 PM.

06-26-2005, 11:06 AM	#21
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Cue violins.....Your Mom and Dad bought or built their house back in the 50's. A modest house but it fits their needs nicely. Lovely location, nice view, garden, flower beds and a million happy memories. Wonderful to have the grandkids running around the big yard with the dogs just like you did back in the day. Best of all, because it's a modest home, the taxes are only a couple grand...say $2500. Cue oboe......Snidley Richcash thinks it's a lovely location too. Just the spot to build his dream showoff place that the high rent architect designed. Have to get rid of those pesky old folks and tear down that shack but that's not a big deal. After all, Snidley has this burg in his pocket. But more importantly the new home would pay not $2500 but $7500 in taxes. Mom and Dad better hope they're not on the toilet when Snidley tells the powers that be his plans because they won't have time to wipe. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-26-2005, 01:06 PM	#22
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Elspode is right on, this is not communism it is the nascent moments of Corpocracy. I am surprised that not everyone realizes how much of everything they see, do, and unfortunatley, think is dictated by Corporations. Some months after 9/11 the Gov't said they wanted to have a "real time" teleconferencing (sp?) system in place within 5 years to enable all the world leaders heads of state to communicate in teh event of a similar occurance. The top Fortune 500 companies had one in place within MONTHS. That to me, speaks volumes about who is running what. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

06-27-2005, 01:57 PM	#23
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	The fact that big corporations know how to manipulate small municipal governments isn't the scary thing here. The greed is plenty bad, but what's scary is that the highest court in the land just ruled that your government is entitled to take your private property for any reason it wants. That's pure Soviet Russia there. If I'm not mistaken, though, state's rights still supersede..... __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

06-27-2005, 02:19 PM	#24
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	So far. Oh, and by the way folks, please remember that your children are also Property of the State. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-27-2005, 09:37 PM	#26
melidasaur Traded your soul for pogs. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 646	Government is a business... and as crappy as it is for the government to use eminent domain to take someone's property and sell it to a private individual/entity, it's what happens in our society. Sucks... yes. Violates constitutional rights... not really. As for the Grokster ruling... it really doesn't answer the question in my opinion. __________________ I love England, what can I say?

06-27-2005, 10:18 PM	#27
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	http://www.nldc.org/ Here it is in black and white and color. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

06-27-2005, 10:37 PM	#28
melidasaur Traded your soul for pogs. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 646	Sometimes, I wished I would have either: a) payed attention in my Constitutional Law classes or b) gave a damn about learning Constitutional law. Often times, I praised the countries that didn't have constitutions because constitutions can lead to bs like all this, but without it - life would probably suck too. It's a catch-22. __________________ I love England, what can I say?

06-28-2005, 11:48 AM	#30
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	seriously? __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

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