Men Abortion and Choice

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I find it fascinating and pathetic how many in here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty AT ALL.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty as a legal construct, but it doesn't mean someone is actually innocent.

I agree that under your hypothetical law, a date rapist would have the ability to force his victim to carry the child. I was pointing that out as an inevitable, and harmful, consequence of your proposal.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, I have not pretended to state that I have worked out all legal ramifications

That's an understatement.

and have stated multiple times that the woman should have personal honor so the law does not get involved.

That's what we have now. What would you change?

As always, total lack of reading comprehension.

You don't seem to have a comprehension of your own idea. Don't blame the reader.

[Shawnee123]

All women will have personal honor as soon as all men do. K? Oh, and we'll stop recreational fucking as soon as men do too.

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

for you , maybe...because you're not reading. It seems to me that this conversation is about personal liberty. meh.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

for you , maybe...because you're not reading. It seems to me that this conversation is about personal liberty. meh.

Wow. You are an asshole sometimes LJ. What do they call this? A smack-down? But geez..... sometimes I really like it.

This just in: I really must be going to hell.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

Lol!!!! Really? lol!!!
Is that really what this is about?
LOL!!!! Right..... That's a good one!!!! Oh jeez....Why is that so funny?

Originally Posted by Cicero

Lol!!!! Really? lol!!!
Is that really what this is about?
LOL!!!! Right..... That's a good one!!!! Oh jeez....Why is that so funny?

Seems to me because you are a sexist.

Also, another cannot make you feel something... you choose how you react emotionally to your environment.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Seems to me because you are a sexist.

Also, another cannot make you feel something... you choose how you react emotionally to your environment.

I'm not even sure how to respond to your sexist remark........I'll just let that go......

I'm just really curious about where you are getting the other statement from. I'll need the quote.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Seems to me because you are a sexist.

Also, another cannot make you feel something... you choose how you react emotionally to your environment.

I believe it's more along the lines of...you choose how you express and deal with your emotional reaction to external forces. Rage, rant, deny, suppress, acknowledge, explore, blame, attack, cry, self-pity, etc.

[Flint]

The honor system is what we have in place now. You are suggesting a law which would be prohibitively impractical.

[DanaC]

As long as all women honor the fathers as equals, true.

No. As long as all women honor the fathers as paramount. As long as all women consider the fathers' wishes to outweigh their own. As long as all women consider their own wishes to be subordinate to those of the men they have sex with.

Originally Posted by DanaC

No. As long as all women honor the fathers as paramount. As long as all women consider the fathers' wishes to outweigh their own. As long as all women consider their own wishes to be subordinate to those of the men they have sex with.

I neither stated nor implied any of those.

[lumberjim]

It's only called a smack down if you're drinking Miller High Life and watching Nascar in your wifebeater. ...because wrestling isn't on.

now, why would you choose this moment to call me an asshole? i don't really mind so much, but I'm curious about the timing. I mean....it's quite plain that you are attracted to me, but ...must you be so blatant in your overtures? my wife is a member, you know.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

It's only called a smack down if you're drinking Miller High Life and watching Nascar in your wifebeater. ...because wrestling isn't on.

now, why would you choose this moment to call me an asshole? i don't really mind so much, but I'm curious about the timing. I mean....it's quite plain that you are attracted to me, but ...must you be so blatant in your overtures? my wife is a member, you know.

Oh right..... You aren't an asshole....is this one of those spontaneous games where I have to guess the game?

Oh wait. You haven't denied it yet.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Oh right..... You aren't an asshole....is this one of those spontaneous games where I have to guess the game?

Oh wait. You haven't denied it yet.

Wellll......While i won't catagorically deny being an asshole ....at times.... I would say in a general sense that I am in fact, rather non assholular. That is ....I'm an asshole in the most appealing sense of the word ....at times.

Like.... you could say, "ah, Jim, you asshole...." and be smiling and I'd smile back and flip you the bird. And then shake my head and walk away still smiling.... But if you got all red in the face and balled your fists up impotently at your sides and screamed "YOU ASSHOLE!" at the top of your lungs in a crowded Library.....I might take some exception to that.


now...why don't you tell me how you really feel about me( I was just kidding about you being attracted to me, btw...i know I'm a big dork), and then we can deal with each other in an honest fashion. I like you, fwiw...I think you're one of the good n00bs.