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I am neither an illegal alien, nor do I profit from them. Your brush is too broad.
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Sorry Cloud, I didn't really think you were arguing against the law, just questioning/considering the arguments brought up by others. My mistake.
What is your argument against it? Or, what is your argument for unregulated immigration, whichever.
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I think I've made the points I care to about the AZ law issue in the neimroller thread. In the immediate sense, I'm not really as concerned about illegal immigration as I am with the impact of the violence across the border.
Not trying to cop out, just don't like to argue about stuff like this.
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This is what I would like to see to try to solve the violence and related problems:
1) a generous immigration and naturalization policy which demonstrates compassion for the humans involved (meaning the US policy, but Mexico and other countries, too) 2) but also tighter controls on abuse of our resources by undocumented people 3) decriminalization of personal use of marijuana 4) while still maintaining a strong stance against organized drug crime and street drugs 5) a reduction in hysterical and bigoted ranting by pundits and political grandstanding over the issues 6) for the Mexican people to get their shit together and make their own country a decent place to live naive? well . . . yeah. but I prefer hopeful!
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rAmen.
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Since I am certainly not a constitutional scholar, I'm not sure what this means, but it seems to counter your opinion.
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From your opinion piece:
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That is the difference between the Court's decision in Muehler v. Mena and the AZ law....and IMO, a significant difference. Given that difference, I certainly dont think it is a "a strong precedent" as the columnists suggests. But just like you and Gehrke, I'm no constitutional expert either, but that is why I think it is important for the law to go through a formal legal review. Added: And even taking illegal immigrants out the picture, under the AZ law, a citizen or legal resident, not being lawfully detained for questioning in connection to any other crime, can be asked by the cops to prove their citizenship or immigration status if the cop thinks the citizen/resident looks "suspicious of being an illegal immigrant" (whatever that means)...and those citizens or legal residents are far more likely to be Hispanic than Anglo. Last edited by Redux; 05-30-2010 at 12:54 AM. |
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I'm glad we have a constitutional scholar leading our country, then
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and a country which actually runs on the rule of law, unlike Mexico
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I have a friend who is a Zuni Indian who got caught up in a sweep by la migra. Now there's some irony for you.
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UT...I honestly dont understand why some dont feel a need to ensure that controversial laws can pass a constitutional test.
And when a law can adversely impact one race over another...not just illegals, but citizens and legal residents...yes, I think it is controversial. |
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